'Twinview'

[SteveC]

Agreed.

heh heh ' what 'we' know heh heh (sorry!)

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Cheers,
Steve

"Life is what we make of it, yet most of us just fake"

[Himself]

I wasn't planning on it. But I wouldn't decide basd on corporate hijinx, but the product itself. They all get up to crap.

[dZeus]

Sorry but what we know isn't for public disclosure. I'd just put it this way, if you did know, you would never buy nVidia again.

As if that has any influence on my decision

Just look at what their marketing department has been doing the last couple of months... somehow, I don't feel any sympathy for nVidia now, nor in the past...

3Dfx is fine, but going under if their Rampage cards won't be a huge hit. They do have save very interesting technology on their sleeve...

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[Himself]

I'm still pissed at NVIDIA for their hype two years ago, let alone anything they have been doing lately.

[DuRaNgO]

himself is beside himself over nVidea themselves
jim

[Ashley]

You Matrox kids are too much... You make it sound like NVidia did something involving small children...

Well, Matrox is a private Canadian company and I suppose it could keep its legal affairs to itself and a handful of confidants here. But NVidia is a public US company and it has to file suits against it with the SEC. As of 10/1/2000 there is only the one Matrox suit against NVidia from 2/2000, followed by a counter-suit two months later.

Perhaps you guys are referring to something still in the works? Whatever the case, lets hope that Matrox fairs better than other companies which have sued NVidia to date (SGI, S3, 3dfx...)

[Greebe]

Ashley, What they have done is only one slight step away from that. If you think it's ok to thieve employee's and technology fine. But if the same happened to Entech would you be feel the same? Guess so.

[Hugh G Recshun]

Greebe,

Entech is a company? Hell I thought it was just a one man operation in the corner of some room with stacks of books on how to **** up bios's on graphics chips

To steal IP from Ashley, you would have to basically steal Ashley and his porn

[Ashley]

LOL - Greebe, if an EnTech employee jumped ship and went to some other company, they'd be hunted down and shot on sight.

Seriously: this kinda went off topic. I don't doubt for one second that NVidia is absolutely ruthless. But have a little perspective: maybe Hugh has had better results, but I have a TwinView card and after playing with it a bit, the TwinView feature is now disabled. NVidia's biggest customers (Creative, ELSA) have passed the "technology" over completely, at least so far. Whatever that Matrox ex-employee gave NVidia, it just doesn't seem to have added up to much of anything.

And as Brian pointed out, there is always the potential upside and that is that DH gets better as a result of the competition, that it becomes something more of a standard, that we see native OS support for it in future. Maybe its not great for Matrox's owners, but certainly its good for Matrox Users - and this, after all, is a Matrox Users forum.

On the subject of IP, here, btw, for those interested is a link to a 1998 Rendition FOW that sounds an awful lot like what Matrox released one year *later*: http://rendition.levitate.org/fows/week2/index.html

[Greebe]

Ashley, I am a Matrox beta tester and have some 20 years experience in computer and electronics design industry. So don't go telling me what you think is real. You do not know anything about what you're claiming and yet persistantly befuddle your own expertise with claims based on faith alone. Yes they are ruthless and many of the other major manufactures are well aware of their activities and are not happy with the current situation.

Did you see Rendition sue Matrox over this? NO
Why? Because one doesn't have to steal technology to do get the same result. Rendition (whom I supported for far to long) dried up long ago not because of technology theft, but because they couldn't or didn't wish to compete with the pace at which graphics technology advances today. End of story.

It doesn't matter anyway, your point is moot as we are talking about the here and now only. If you have real infomation in which you could prove to me (and others here) as to your corectness then by all means post it, otherwise SHUDDUP!

[ALBPM]

Speaking of small children......

Warning do not let children under the age of 12 stare at nvidia Twinview screens for extended periods.




Paul

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