Radeon 64MB

[Joel]

It was not Galvin's first post that got to me. But the post where he said basically that anyone using WinME is an idiot. Sorry I was in a bad mood last night. But I still though feel that he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. In my 19+ years working with computers I have seen and worked with about every conceivable OS that there is and for some one like Galvin to make a totally off the wall, out in left field statement like that just got to me. All OSs have their strengths and weaknesses and for Win2K gaming is it's weakness and for WinME gaming is one of it's strenghs. That is a fact. And just because someone uses WinME, because of it's gaming compatibility and performance, does not mean they are an idiot.

Joel

And BTW: WinME has given me none of the compatibility issues that some of y'all have stated here. In the years I have been working with computers I have come to realized that the majority of the problems that most people see is due to that short between the keyboard and the floor.

Also if you get a chance go over to this thread forums.murc.ws/ubb/Forum5/HTML/009938.html and see how he even contradicts himself there.

Galvin, we don't have to prove that you are an idiot, you do a good job of that yourself.

[Technoid]

Whats the 2D quality in W2K (and W9x) with an Radeon??

[Galvin]

Originally posted by Technoid:
Whats the 2D quality in W2K (and W9x) with an Radeon??

I think it's the same as matrox, I couldn't tell.

[Galvin]

Originally posted by Joel:
It was not Galvin's first post that got to me. But the post where he said basically that anyone using WinME is an idiot. Sorry I was in a bad mood last night. But I still though feel that he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. In my 19+ years working with computers I have seen and worked with about every conceivable OS that there is and for some one like Galvin to make a totally off the wall, out in left field statement like that just got to me. All OSs have their strengths and weaknesses and for Win2K gaming is it's weakness and for WinME gaming is one of it's strenghs. That is a fact. And just because someone uses WinME, because of it's gaming compatibility and performance, does not mean they are an idiot.

Joel

And BTW: WinME has given me none of the compatibility issues that some of y'all have stated here. In the years I have been working with computers I have come to realized that the majority of the problems that most people see is due to that short between the keyboard and the floor.

Also if you get a chance go over to this thread forums.murc.ws/ubb/Forum5/HTML/009938.html and see how he even contradicts himself there.

Galvin, we don't have to prove that you are an idiot, you do a good job of that yourself.

I don't see what thas has to do with this thread. All I am saying is that someone inside matrox for the first time said the G800 is being worked on. Least first time I heard from a matrox imployee say that the G800 is being worked on. If you don't want
to beleivbe G800 is being worked on fine, I was told by a matrox imployee it's being worked on. When it comes out i'll be sure to post a I-TOLD-YOU-SO message

Regarding windows ME it's designed for users that don't need to know much about OS's. You just install and use it. I don't see how you take this as an insult. All I am saying is it was designed for such people not all people. MS wants to reduce support calls, so that's why they made it as easy to use as all possible.

[Helevitia]

Tell me Galvin, if you are using Win2k at home, what features are you using that makes it so much better to use than WinME?

[Galvin]

Well I stopped using win9x since 1997, which then I switched to winNT, because I got sick of applications taking down the whole OS.

I run win2K mainly for stability, the odds of an application crashing the OS under win2K is less. Little of everthing, Paintshop Pro 6.0, Diablo II,Quake3, Posting notes on this board and browsing the net.

A friend of mine has winME and from what he told me it don't sound like something I would want. Hell in winME they took stuff from win2K. Also my tinyfugue for win2K runs a lot better than under win9x. It takes a whole 40 seconds for win2K to boot up. I thought I mention that since winME brags about fast bootups

Primaryly win2K was in devolopment longer than winME, I feel better using win2K since it's a better made OS, I don't need rollback crap or automated driver updates, I don't trust MS that much to do that kinds of things on my machine.

[Joel]

If you don't want to beleivbe G800 is being worked on fine,

I didn't say that I didn't "beleivbe" that the G800 was being worked on. But then again I guess you don't realize who you are talking too. I am but one of a few members of this board that beta test for Matrox. As such I don't see how you can ever say to me "I-TOLD-YOU-SO".

Joel

[Joel]

I don't need rollback crap or automated driver updates

I don't need them either that is why I turned them off.

Joel

[Galvin]

Originally posted by Joel:
I didn't say that I didn't "beleivbe" that the G800 was being worked on. But then again I guess you don't realize who you are talking too. I am but one of a few members of this board that beta test for Matrox. As such I don't see how you can ever say to me "I-TOLD-YOU-SO".

Joel

So you as a beta tester can't say it exists but Matrox tech support can, this makes no sense.

This is opinion based, but I think win2K is more stable than winME.

WinME will be moot anyways once MS switches to one kernal based on win2K. By then graphic card drivers should be able to work with win2K, I know matrox won't have a problem since they can program drivers for win2K.

Now to get back to winME, unless you're using some old game that bypasses DX I see no reason to use winME, win2K has full DX8 support no less than winME has. So in my opinion I rather run a new OS and not something based off of the win9x kernal with some stuff taken from win2K

[Paulr]

Originally posted by blackmouser:
I'm sorry if this is a little too difficult for most of you, but this is the way people who build real systems and servers look at it. (or at least the good ones who don't get paid enough for unix...)

Do you work with computers at all?
I am a systems administrator and I only deal with Microsoft products.
I have just finished moving the whole company away from a MS SBS 4.5 network to one running on Windows 2000 servers.
I also had to move the whole project management and accounts system away from the SQL Server 6 based package to one running on SQL Server 2000.
During this whole process I moved a lot of workstations away from Win9x & NT4 to Win2k as well.
So, basically what you are saying is that because I work on Microsoft systems I'm not as good as a UNIX engineer?
What makes my brand new network, built from the ground up and less real than one running on UNIX?
Yes we run some LINUX servers here too, no I don't have anything to do with them.
How about you keep your childish comments to yourself.
I have worked very hard over the last 5 years to become very technicaly competent in MS products.
What myself and fellow MS sys admin's & computer tech's don't need is somebody who isn't working in the industry sitting back telling us that we aren't as good as UNIX ones.
We are every bit as good, we might not know a UNIX system inside out, but a UNIX engineer rarely knowns MS systems inside out.

[Greebe]

Galvin, here again...

Well I stopped using win9x since 1997, which then I switched to winNT, because I got sick of applications taking down the whole OS.

So you were tired of playing games that crashed on you. Sorry your hardware/inability to correctly configure the system and or application(s) was buggy, which lead you down that path.
BTW how did you like NT4 with it's no AGP support to help you here... yah must have been a fun period.

To quote Joel...

I am but one of a few members of this board that beta test for Matrox.

So am I.

So you as a beta tester can't say it exists but Matrox tech support can, this makes no sense.

I have posted about this and if you had been paying any attention you would have noticed I have been claiming this fact. BTW we are bound by NDA's, being as such, we are unwilling to throw just any info out and risk it all, just to prove it to the likes of you. If Matrox support does, then fine, that's their prerogative.

The problem I had with you was/is...

WinME: for people that don't know how to use computers.
Win2K: For people that know how to use a computer, professional users.
Win2K: Does perform better than winME/Win9x with 256megs of ram or more

Like Joel said... this is what started the whole mess in the first place.

My first computer was purchased back in '79 and has nothing to do with how many posts I have here... and unlike you, I don't make such bold comments unless it is a known fact.

[Galvin]

To Greebe

AGP worked fine in NT4, I had a G200 back then, had no problem in 98. Don't know where you get this no AGP support in winNT, that's not true.
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To Joel

I was just stating the facts, winME was made easier to use, you think your friend or family member that never used a computer would be able to setup and install winME or win2K, more than likely they would have less trouble with winME it was designed to be easier to use. You keep thinking winME is not desiged for people that don't know how to use a computer. And somehow you take this as an insult. All I am saying is what it was designed for, ease of use.
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I see no reason to use winME since ALL my games work under win2K with my G400, I only have 2 games, but that's plenty for me.

[Rags]

Galvin,

You can use an AGP device in NT, but it's treated as a PCI device only. No SBA, no AGP transfers, etc.

Rags

[Galvin]

Rags: Didn't really matter anyways I can't even remember which game i was using back then. I just wanted a more stable OS and NT was it, since NT kernel has been around far longer than win9x it was a good decision.

[Rags]

*Sigh*

Instead of saying "Hey, now I see what you mean by no AGP in NT, I guess I was wrong." You come back in trying to be argumentative. Christ, just admit when you are wrong. We all are at times geeez.

Rags