Radeon 64MB

[Rags]

And one other thing, you really don't have to preach to me the benefits of NT. I already know them. And that's why I run win2k, and was backing up some of your arguments.

NT has NOT been around longer than the 9x series, because technically 9x is based on DOS, and DOS has been here MUCH longer than NT


Rags

[Galvin]

You're trying to downplay NT as being a worse os than 9x, NT kernel is better, it's been around longer, more stable, etc.

I will never see winME or win9X as being a better OS than win2K, they just haven't had the same amount of time to mature into the os that win2K is today. Doesn't mean winME sucks, just not as good as an OS.

[Rags]

You're trying to downplay NT as being a worse os than 9x

Where have I downplayed NT? Show me you freaking defensive little twit.

NT kernel is better, it's been around longer, more stable, etc.

NT kernel is more stable, and more customizable, but I wouldn't say it's been around longer, see my previous post.

I will never see winME or win9X as being a better OS than win2K

We all know that. You have made your point. So stop attacking people who aren't attacking you. I think win2k is better, too.

they just haven't had the same amount of time to mature into the os that win2K is today.

Completely false. Win2k may be NT based, but it's to NT4 as Win95 was to DOS. Win9x has been around longer. See previous windows and DOS.

Doesn't mean winME sucks, just not as good as an OS.

Correct, it doesn't mean it sucks. Personally I have had no problems with win9x at all, except for not being able to network the way I like, not being able to customize and secure the way I prefer. I am also confident enough in my decision that I don't need to tell people what OS is best for them. If others find 9x suits them better, who are you to tell them they are wrong. They should know better than you. And some of the people you are harping on I would wager know as much/more about computers than you.

Rags

[Galvin]

Rags: you saying NT has no agp support tells me oh since win9x has AGP support and NT doesn't this is a weakness and that is downplaying NT.

I been using computers radioshack came out with pocket computer 2. That's close to 20 years.

[Rags]

Rags: you saying NT has no agp support tells me oh since win9x has AGP support and NT doesn't this is a weakness and that is downplaying NT.

No, I was correcting you. And clarifying what Mike told you. This is the truth, and if that's downplaying, then so be it. This isn't a contest of whose member is longer, this looked to be a discussion.

I been using computers radioshack came out with pocket computer 2. That's close to 20 years.

So? My mother has been using computers since they had data entry jobs in the early seventies. She still knows jack shit about the one that sits on her desktop.

Rags

[Gurm]

Galvin,

Where are you from? I'm asking only because your incomplete grasp of the English language is contributing to you making a complete ass of yourself.

We _AGREE_ with you on many of your points, but you're being, as Rags put it, a twit.

And I have personally been programming, at the machine code level, for 21 years. Of course I started when I was 4 years old, so that tells you something, right?

And the NT kernel is well under 10 years old (back when it was what MS switched to when they sold OS/2 to IBM), whereas the DOS kernel is more than 20 years old. So your math is CONFUSED. Just in case you were wondering.

- Gurm

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Listen up, you primitive screwheads! See this? This is my BOOMSTICK! Etc. etc.

[Galvin]

I'm american, who gives a shit if I do a few typos, sorry if that bothers you.

So you're trying to say win9X is better because dos has been around longer than NT.

Continue to flame me, you think I am the ****ole and you're better which is the message I am getting then go on.

[Rags]

No. Neither I, nor Gurm, aren't saying 9x is better. You really need to spend some time learning how to read if you get that idea. You are pulling "facts" out of your ass, that's all. We have corrected them, nothing else. I don't believe that the amount of time an OS has been out has much to do with the quality of said OS.

Quit reading between the lines and being so fuxing defensive.

Rags

[Greebe]

And your still as stupid as a newby whom can only use WinMe?! Geesh

Look dude unless you stop putting your foot into mouth, be prepared to suffer the consequences of you idiocy. OK

No one here is arguing that Win2K is superior, but you completely refuse to acknowledge that there are holes in your knowledge.

NT doesn't this is a weakness and that is downplaying NT.

You want real downplaying of the OS?! Try this, No dualhead support and video editing simply sucks the big one under Win2K. Your vast experiences with a couple of games combined with tee total disregard for the facts, just doesn't get it here.
M$ promised to resolve many issue with sp1 and it didn't happen, so to those that MUST have this for professional reasons, are idiots?! Geesh twit boy have anymore brilliant suprises up your sleeve?! LOL

[Galvin]

Sorry if you feel that way, learning to use NT was no walk in the park, since I teach my self everything when it comes to computers, takes a lot of time.

[DuRaNgO]

"He doesn't get it! He'll never get it! Even the cows got it!!!"tm =/

[Greebe]

Then stop being so damn defensive! We don't like your posturing and factless BS. The fact is, we ARE trying to help you out. OK

One of the biggest reason I stayed here (MURC) is that there is no other site with great knowledge base of friendly conciderate users. We don't take kindly to those lacking in what is commonly known, telling us we don't know jack and our OS choice is because we're stupid computer users.

If you want answers then by all means ask them, but don't tell us in the process we're stupid. Got it!

Lets get on with life now, OK

[Galvin]

I never said anyone was a stupid computer user, people just translate stuff the wrong way that's all.

If I said the playstation 2 was marketed for teens and kids would adults using PS2 get mad, they shouldn't that's just the market area they are going for.

Also how are you helping me all I do is get flamed. Because Joel I think it was took the winme statement I said too religously.



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[Paulr]

Saying "Win2k is not for games" is just quoting the Microsoft marketing statements.

Windows 2000 was initially designed as a replacement for WinNT 4.
During it's development Microsoft decided that this could be their bridging product, the one to unite all workstations, those running NT4 and those running Win9x.
Hence the rename from NT5 to Win2000
Quite late in the development Microsoft had a change of heart, they felt that the general computer user wasn't quite ready for an OS based around NT.
By this time it was way too late to change the name back to NT5.
WinME was in development.
If MS had announced to the world that Win2k was an OS that could be used at home for games as well as in the office, what do you think it would have done to WinME sales?
Don't forget that late next year the next OS makes an appearance.
This is their 'bridge' product, coming out in various formats including 'Home User'
This next OS is based largely on Win2000.
X-Box, games console, released Christmas 2001, the kernel for this is a cut down version of the Win2k one.

If you look at the benchmarking then somewhere around 90% of games perform as well under Win2k as under WinME or within a few percent.
Yes you take a slight hit in game performance with Win2k, but that's due to it's stability.
In Win9x all your software was direct access to the hardware, hence all the crashes.
Under Win2k each piece of software needs to ask the HAL to speak to the hardware on it's behalf.
The result is that Win2k is very, very hard to crash.
My home system hasn't crashed since I installed Win2k back in December 1999.
There are a few games out there that plain refuse to install under Win2k, but they are so very few.
WinME 'could' be described as a 'dumbed down' version of Windows, but I think this is a little harsh.
The Win2k line of products is the furture, even for the home, game only, user.

[Taz]

Galvin, your getting flamed because you feel the need to argue with every post even if they are supportive of what you are saying. As Grebe has said, the difference between this forum and most others is the people here are generally knowledgeable and helpful instead of a bunch of twatty kids like on most others.