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  • Going back

    I'm going back to AMD.

    After 2 years of intel i have decided to see what the fuss is about the Thunderbird. But are there strings attached? :-)

    Are athlons still really picky with RAM? I got loads of ram that goes to 145 with a P3 should i prepare myself for some problems?

    What driver files do i need?

    My system will be:

    Abit KT7 (non raid)
    Thunderbird 1Ghz at >1150
    FOP32 HSF
    30GB IBM HDD
    Some ram :-)
    cough Asus geforce2 gts 32mb cough
    SBlive
    300w AMD PSU

    Am i heading for one of those weekends?

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    1st system

    Coppermine 700E @ 933mhz (133mhz FSB). Taisol HSF, Abit BX133 RAID. 384mb Winbond pc133, USR Message Modem external, SB Live!, IBM 30GB 7200rpm, IBM 45GB 7200rpm, Quantum 850mb HDD, G400 @ max settings, Hauppage WinTV GO!,generic 50*CD ROM, generic 24*CD ROM, Genius 100mbit nic. Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer USB. Win98/w2k Dual boot. All wrapped up in Songcheer Super wide with loads of fans and 2 PSUs. Belinea 10 30 40 17" monitor, FPS100 sound system, Cyborg 2000 joystick, generic keyboard.


    Crossover cable

    2nd system

    Pentium III 650 @ 910mhz, VOS32 HSF,Abit BF6 @145mhz, 128mb pc133, 30GB Maxtor HDD, Adaptec 2940 SCSI card, Plextor 40 speed SCSI CD, Yamaha 8x4x24 SCSI CDRW, All In Wonder pro 32MB, SBLIVE, Genius 100mbit NIC, 17in Belinea 10-30-50 Monitor, epson 460 stylus printer, genius vivid pro 2 scanner. Generic keyboard, 3d program pad, Genius netmouse pro, Songcheer Desktop ATX Case ATX,3 00Watt PSU (original went bang)
    1st system

    Athlon AXIA Y 1Ghz @ 1.40Ghz, coolermaster hsf, Elite K7s6a, 512 MB Crucial DDR RAM, 20GB IBM 7200RPM Hard drive, Radeon 8500le 64mb, SB Audigy, 3 com 10/100NIC, 300w PSU, midi tower, FPS 1600 Surround, Belinea 17" monitor, Intellimouse explorer USB

    System 2

    Athlon TB 1.4 @ 1.5, Zalman Flower in silent mode, Elite K7S6A, 768MB DDRAM, Ati Radeon 8500le 64mb ddr, SB Audigy, 3Com 10/100NIC, 80GB IBM 7200rpm, Liteon 16 speed DVD, Lite-on 24102b CDRW, Songcheer Superwide, USB scanner, Intellimouse explorer, Microsoft keyboard, 19in iiyama Monitor, FPS1600

    system 3
    Abit ST6 RAID, Celly 1.2 @1.4 ,512MB SDRAM, Zalman Flower HSF noisey mode, ATi Radeon 8500le, SBLIVE, 3com 10/100 NIC, 80GB Seagate barracude HDD, 40GB IBM120GXP, 60GB IBM60GXP,Extra highpoint controller card, 16x Pioneer DVD, Pioneer DVR-104 DVD-RW, ATX Full tower case. 300w psu, 17in LG monitor, 20in Samsumg telly, epson stylus colour 880, 200W RMS Surround sound amp with Mission M71 Speakers.
    .

    System 4
    Elite K7S5A, Duron 1.0, 128mb sdram, Coolermaster hsf, 80GB 120GXP IBM, Liteon 16x DVD, Radeon 7200 64MB DDR, SBLIVE.

    Linksys 4 port router/firewall

    512k Cable modem. nice

  • #2
    There are a few small strings attached still, but nothing that is a major inconvenience. You do need pretty good quality RAM, but even the good stuff is inexpensive lately. <a href="http://www.mushkin.com">Mushkin</a> and <a href="http://www.crucial.com">Crucial</a> both manufacture very good quality RAM and sell it for very competitive prices.

    You do need a good HSF as you have noted, and the FOP32 should do just fine. Be sure to grab some thermal paste to use with it.

    And of course it is definately a good idea to get an AMD approved PSU, as you have also noted.

    The driver situation has improved over time. The KT133 chipset is actually very stable so I hear, and installing the VIA 4in1's hardly requires even a second thought most of the time. Just be sensible about setting the system up as I'm sure you're aware and you should be fine.

    Good Luck!

    Ian
    Primary System:
    MSI 745 Ultra, AMD 2400+ XP, 1024 MB Crucial PC2100 DDR SDRAM, Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro, 3Com 3c905C NIC,
    120GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, 60 GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, Pioneer DVD 105S, BenQ 12x24x40 CDRW, SB Audigy OEM,
    Win XP, MS Intellimouse Optical, 17" Mag 720v2
    Seccondary System:
    Epox 7KXA BIOS 5/22, Athlon 650, 512 MB Crucial 7E PC133 SDRAM, Hercules Prophet 4500 Kyro II, SBLive Value,
    3Com 3c905B-TX NIC, 40 GB IBM UDMA 100 HD, 45X Acer CD-ROM,
    Win XP, MS Wheel Mouse Optical, 15" POS Monitor
    Tertiary system
    Offbrand PII Mobo, PII 350, 256MB PC100 SDRAM, 15GB UDMA66 7200RPM Maxtor HD, USRobotics 10/100 NIC, RedHat Linux 8.0
    Camera: Canon 10D DSLR, Canon 100-400L f4.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon 100 Macro USM Canon 28-135 f3.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon Speedlite 200E, tripod, bag, etc.

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C. Clarke

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    • #3
      thanks mate.

      I have invested in 'some' memory that i know will work just to get it going. I am going to try the stuff i have aswell just to see if i can get away with it. I dont thin k i could happily run 128mb for long, i have got used to having 384 at my disposal.

      I have just got another 3 case fans to help the heatsink do its job so i am hoping that will do. I have bought hdd brackets so i can keep as much room around the CPU as is possible for best cooling.

      Does anyone have revommendation for the best 4 in 1 drivers? also which drivers should i have for the Nvidia thingy.

      I'm not usually so unprepared, i just went for the athlon on a whim!
      1st system

      Athlon AXIA Y 1Ghz @ 1.40Ghz, coolermaster hsf, Elite K7s6a, 512 MB Crucial DDR RAM, 20GB IBM 7200RPM Hard drive, Radeon 8500le 64mb, SB Audigy, 3 com 10/100NIC, 300w PSU, midi tower, FPS 1600 Surround, Belinea 17" monitor, Intellimouse explorer USB

      System 2

      Athlon TB 1.4 @ 1.5, Zalman Flower in silent mode, Elite K7S6A, 768MB DDRAM, Ati Radeon 8500le 64mb ddr, SB Audigy, 3Com 10/100NIC, 80GB IBM 7200rpm, Liteon 16 speed DVD, Lite-on 24102b CDRW, Songcheer Superwide, USB scanner, Intellimouse explorer, Microsoft keyboard, 19in iiyama Monitor, FPS1600

      system 3
      Abit ST6 RAID, Celly 1.2 @1.4 ,512MB SDRAM, Zalman Flower HSF noisey mode, ATi Radeon 8500le, SBLIVE, 3com 10/100 NIC, 80GB Seagate barracude HDD, 40GB IBM120GXP, 60GB IBM60GXP,Extra highpoint controller card, 16x Pioneer DVD, Pioneer DVR-104 DVD-RW, ATX Full tower case. 300w psu, 17in LG monitor, 20in Samsumg telly, epson stylus colour 880, 200W RMS Surround sound amp with Mission M71 Speakers.
      .

      System 4
      Elite K7S5A, Duron 1.0, 128mb sdram, Coolermaster hsf, 80GB 120GXP IBM, Liteon 16x DVD, Radeon 7200 64MB DDR, SBLIVE.

      Linksys 4 port router/firewall

      512k Cable modem. nice

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      • #4
        Why take the non-RAID? I've just bought two IBM 30Gig HD's and the KT7-RAID's performance is simply AMAZING - I'd never have thought it was that much faster than a single drive.
        If you even slightly consider doing TV/Video/ captures at some point in the future then go for the RAID!

        For the Via 4in1 I think the 4.25 are the best ones 'till now (haven't tried those new Beta 4.26, though), for the NVidia Detonators it is generally said that the NVidia 6.31 Reference-drivers give the best speed, while some people say that the old 3.84 gives the best overall compatibility/stability. I think, don't sue me if this version number is wrong - it's hard to know all those countless driver revisions even if you have a NVidia based card, and I "only" have a G400 - even though I'm currently hard pressed to get a 32MB Geforce256DDR, they're available at 299 DM (~150 US$) here now - the AsusV6800 with TV-Out!
        But we named the *dog* Indiana...
        My System
        2nd System (not for Windows lovers )
        German ATI-forum

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        • #5
          I have seen a GeForce2GTS in 2D action. Its quality is ok, but noticeably less than my G400, but not enough to really bother me. Haven't seen it in 3D yet, though probably will soon. I have a KT7 non raid and am pretty pleased with it. I've read where the MSI KT7Pro2 is stabler though
          [size=1]D3/\/7YCR4CK3R
          Ryzen: Asrock B450M Pro4, Ryzen 5 2600, 16GB G-Skill Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 RAM, 1TB Seagate SATA HD, 256GB myDigital PCIEx4 M.2 SSD, Samsung LI24T350FHNXZA 24" HDMI LED monitor, Klipsch Promedia 4.2 400, Win11
          Home: M1 Mac Mini 8GB 256GB
          Surgery: HP Stream 200-010 Mini Desktop,Intel Celeron 2957U Processor, 6 GB RAM, ADATA 128 GB SSD, Win 10 home ver 22H2
          Frontdesk: Beelink T4 8GB

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          • #6
            i went for the std non raid board just cos it was cheaper. i am on a tight budget for this so i thought i would do without the raid as i only have the one drive for it anyway.

            I was concerned myself about the 2d quality of the geforce not being the same as the g400. But as i am keeping the g400 aswell i can use one pc for surfing and stuff and the other for gaming. Again the choice of card comes down to cost. The GF2 was only a few pounds more than the g400max and i dont need dual head.

            I have just been reading about the various memory tweaking features available on the kt7. WTF is memory interleaving? I'm sure there will be some sort of explaination in the manual but could some one tell me what it REALLY means :-)
            1st system

            Athlon AXIA Y 1Ghz @ 1.40Ghz, coolermaster hsf, Elite K7s6a, 512 MB Crucial DDR RAM, 20GB IBM 7200RPM Hard drive, Radeon 8500le 64mb, SB Audigy, 3 com 10/100NIC, 300w PSU, midi tower, FPS 1600 Surround, Belinea 17" monitor, Intellimouse explorer USB

            System 2

            Athlon TB 1.4 @ 1.5, Zalman Flower in silent mode, Elite K7S6A, 768MB DDRAM, Ati Radeon 8500le 64mb ddr, SB Audigy, 3Com 10/100NIC, 80GB IBM 7200rpm, Liteon 16 speed DVD, Lite-on 24102b CDRW, Songcheer Superwide, USB scanner, Intellimouse explorer, Microsoft keyboard, 19in iiyama Monitor, FPS1600

            system 3
            Abit ST6 RAID, Celly 1.2 @1.4 ,512MB SDRAM, Zalman Flower HSF noisey mode, ATi Radeon 8500le, SBLIVE, 3com 10/100 NIC, 80GB Seagate barracude HDD, 40GB IBM120GXP, 60GB IBM60GXP,Extra highpoint controller card, 16x Pioneer DVD, Pioneer DVR-104 DVD-RW, ATX Full tower case. 300w psu, 17in LG monitor, 20in Samsumg telly, epson stylus colour 880, 200W RMS Surround sound amp with Mission M71 Speakers.
            .

            System 4
            Elite K7S5A, Duron 1.0, 128mb sdram, Coolermaster hsf, 80GB 120GXP IBM, Liteon 16x DVD, Radeon 7200 64MB DDR, SBLIVE.

            Linksys 4 port router/firewall

            512k Cable modem. nice

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            • #7
              it seems that no-one liked my thunderbirds and strings joke )
              1st system

              Athlon AXIA Y 1Ghz @ 1.40Ghz, coolermaster hsf, Elite K7s6a, 512 MB Crucial DDR RAM, 20GB IBM 7200RPM Hard drive, Radeon 8500le 64mb, SB Audigy, 3 com 10/100NIC, 300w PSU, midi tower, FPS 1600 Surround, Belinea 17" monitor, Intellimouse explorer USB

              System 2

              Athlon TB 1.4 @ 1.5, Zalman Flower in silent mode, Elite K7S6A, 768MB DDRAM, Ati Radeon 8500le 64mb ddr, SB Audigy, 3Com 10/100NIC, 80GB IBM 7200rpm, Liteon 16 speed DVD, Lite-on 24102b CDRW, Songcheer Superwide, USB scanner, Intellimouse explorer, Microsoft keyboard, 19in iiyama Monitor, FPS1600

              system 3
              Abit ST6 RAID, Celly 1.2 @1.4 ,512MB SDRAM, Zalman Flower HSF noisey mode, ATi Radeon 8500le, SBLIVE, 3com 10/100 NIC, 80GB Seagate barracude HDD, 40GB IBM120GXP, 60GB IBM60GXP,Extra highpoint controller card, 16x Pioneer DVD, Pioneer DVR-104 DVD-RW, ATX Full tower case. 300w psu, 17in LG monitor, 20in Samsumg telly, epson stylus colour 880, 200W RMS Surround sound amp with Mission M71 Speakers.
              .

              System 4
              Elite K7S5A, Duron 1.0, 128mb sdram, Coolermaster hsf, 80GB 120GXP IBM, Liteon 16x DVD, Radeon 7200 64MB DDR, SBLIVE.

              Linksys 4 port router/firewall

              512k Cable modem. nice

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              • #8
                guess it was too subtle for most people!

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