Woooowwwieeeeee Mozilla!!

[Himself]

Opera 5.01 for Windows
Opera 5.01 represents many small changes that make Opera more efficient and better handling than ever! Opera 5.01 for Windows is a recommended update, but does not contain major feature additions.
A short list of major changes:
Added search functions to "Go-button"
New keyboard handler in the mailer
Added Windowbar states, "get attention".
Proxy authentication issue addressed
Optimized Instant Messenger
Some minor cosmetical changes to the news windows
Updates to Opera in general
Ecmascript error reporting has been enhanced
The detailed version
Optimized Eudora import handling.
Changed distribution string from "Standard" to "OCV1"
Username in messaging-window = Nick or IM address if no
first+last name are found
Language File optimization
Changed font for user names in messaging window
Content-Type header adjustment
Windowbar bitmap update
Updated go menu
Banner window position optimized
Added stripping of trailing dots from URLs in HTMLify_string
Digest Authentication adjustments
Windowbar optimization
Updated instant messenger style sheet
Hotlist adjustment - last visited
JS reloading a document update
Added handling for non quoted nonascii chars in mail
Opera banner handling optimization
Updated background color usage handling for transparent background images
Table layout update
Adjusted IM contact receive handling
Added support for size of new windows without progress bar
Added option to exclude the hotlist window from tile and cascade operations.
Added handling for extension of files on local disk when determining viewer
type to use with that file
Added tag handing document.all.tags("DIV").somename based on id
Columnwidth in the newsclient additions
Clip page content = page size in preview mode
Width and height attributes for select, input and textarea optimized
"Mail folders view" updates
optimized splitter handling
Image properties byte handling updated
Image properties dialog caption added
Renamed document.{links,forms,anchors,applets,images} javascript class names
to align with Mozilla
Onfocus and onblur event handlers for radio buttons and select elements updated
Mailer updates
Manuual IM update handling adjusted
Cosmetic updates for news:
new bitmaps
column seperators
column x pos scrolling update
minor article window stabilization
Keyboard link navigation additions
Updated (serverpush) content handling

[fds]

First of all a browser has to display correctly all the pages I visit regularly. Then comes stability and a convenient user interface.

Opera absolutely sucks when it comes to UI. Mozilla is better but the whole thing just oozes platform independence, which will hardly ever make it the best Windows browser. I don't want any single application to get in the way, to look or behave noticeably different from the others. A consistent look and feel helps you immensely to get your work seamlessly done. Mozilla, probably to ease portability, doesn't seem to be using any of the default Windows controls. Little tidbits, but they can get annoying real fast. For example when I click on the URL edit box I expect the text there to be selected automatically so I can easily overwrite it. Mozilla also has a "View page source" window with no word wrap (how useful). A terrible, very inconvenient and even still bug-ridden bookmark management system. And the list goes on.

IE single handedly wins my "display all pages correctly" and the "convenient user interface" criteria. Mozilla comes a close second and Opera 5 a distant third.

Speed is once again in IE's favor, then Mozilla and Opera 5.01 last (interesting when their major marketing point is "the world's fastest browser"... yeah right, only in a world without IE or Mozilla).

Stability, another rather important point, however, is clearly in Mozilla's favor. Now that's quite an accomplishment for something still a long way from final release. IE can match that only in Windows 2000 with IE 5.0. Version 5.5, even SP1 falls short on stability by quite a margin, especially on Win9x/Me. Opera, once again, comes last. (Maybe it hates me and my machine.)

A final remaining point is how much control and information the browser gives you about the inner workings. IE is the weakest here by far. Mozilla is very convenient. The cookie management, password/form AutoComplete manager, site banning and so on. On the information side if I start a download in Mozilla I get to know full well the URL it is downloading from. No stupid nonsense telling you everything except for what really is important. Opera is also close here.

Quite frankly the Microsoft kind of let the website author control what you see really bothers me. That's why I often either put sites into the Restricted zone or use Proxomitron to filter pages according to my wishes before it gets to IE.

This all reminds me of DVD, where according to the standard "content creators should have ultimate control over how their title is displayed."

In my opinion the user always should have ultimate control and the ability to override what he doesn't like.

[Jorden]

The New Mozilla 0.7 is now out (errm, more like 9th of January 2001).

If you don't have it yet, go fetch it at www.mozilla.org

Now the cut&paste works by RMB

Plus multiple more new features!

Jord.

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- When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there's no end to what you can't do" -Despair.com-

[Ant]

I find 0.7 is much faster to load, in fact I think overall it's performing the fastest of all the browsers I use.

[Greebe]

The PIT, I just ran a quick test with it and didn't have any issues with AMD Zone or it's forums.

[The PIT]

I'll blame the machine then it's only a work machine with loads of junk on it. I'll try it at home.

[Electric Amish]

fds-

What do you mean IE5 is faster?

IMO, IE5 is the slowest of them all. Mozilla and Opera absolutely destroy IE in all my experiments.

Opera does have site compatibility problems. Mozilla is much, much better!

amish

[Gurm]

Amish:

He means LOADING. When you double-click Internet Explorer, it just opens. No waiting, no "loading" banner. It just pops up.

Yes, Mozilla browses faster. That's why I use it. But if you are opening up multiple free-standing instances, IE loads quicker.

- Gurm

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Listen up, you primitive screwheads! See this? This is my BOOMSTICK! Etc. etc.

[The PIT]

Well I later went back to Amdzone and everything worked okay.
Got it loaded at home now and the fastest loading pages are Opera 5.0 ie5.5 and then Mozilla.
But then speed on the internet can change in seconds.
Ie5 seems to speed up if you turn off the auto detect proxy settings, try it it did in my case.

[Jorden]

Hmmm, although it Moz 0.7 seems faster and more stable (if you can call it that) than previous versions, I do find a bug when looking at the MURC fori. The nedstat page won't take the request and answer, so my mousepointer will stay an arrow with an hourglass next to it. Also, requests from my PC to the MURC fori are slow. Could be my ISP though, as it has had more problems in the past couple of days. (edit: I've disabled Javascript again and have no further problems)

I did test it at work, and there, on the 2Mbit network it supercharges past IE5

Still the smallest in downloads as well. I mean, if you compare it to downloading Netscape 6, or IE5, then a 7.5Mb package is a shorter wait than all of the above

Jord.



[This message has been edited by Jorden (edited 11 January 2001).]

[The PIT]

Doesn't like our proxy server script and slower than ie5 and opera 5.01 to load pages.

[The PIT]

Doesn't like Amdzone either crashes as soon as it looks at it. could be the machine I'm on though.

[Digital_Hell_Native]

For all those who still have plugin problems. Simply copy the files of your old Netscape 4.X plugin folder into the mozilla plugin folder. Now Flash, Quicktime and most of the other plugins shuld work with mozilla.

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[Technoid]

Mozilla 0.7 is Much more stable than M18!

It haven't crached at all since i installed it!
(That was an adventure in itself!)

[The PIT]

After using both Ie 5.5 and Mozilla at home for a bit I would say there much about the same at loading pages.