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  • #16
    Gurm -
    How many PCs on the internet?
    Hmm..well potentially, IP vers 4 allows for about 4 billion addresses in public use, bearing in mind the couple of ranges reserved for private systems, and then factoring in the number of large corporations with hundreds or thousands of PCs accessing the internet via a Porxy server and using NAT, I wouldn't be too suprised if this evened out a little.
    Then remember that every router and switch out there on the internet is going to have at least one IP address allocated to itself..
    2) How much CPU power to decode one megabit of TCP/IP traffic? - Over what timeframe? The network sniffer I use occasionally at work is a P233 laptop with 96mb of ram. We can capture and decode traffic practically on the fly, but I presume when you say 'decode' you mean 'read it and find out if it is anything worth looking at', in which case it shouldnt be too hard to pipe the decoded output to another machine which automatically checks the payload for certain words or phrases, or passes the payload to another machine which attempts to break any encryption.
    As I understand things, the big-ass switches and routers that run the internet arent actually that powerfull in terms of raw CPU power.

    It's far more likely that, as MDHome says, 'they' are targetting specific people and places. Anything sent to Saddam@Gov.Iraq for example.(Ulp, they're probably listening to me now..)

    Rich
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    • #17
      Gurm ... I'd think you'd be more concerned that the intelligence community was monitoring you personally versus the entire Net simultaneously. Its only a matter of resources to scale the monitoring to cover the entire Net. The equipment used isn't an off-the-shelf Pentium IV based PC running Windows. Sophisticated HW employing FFT compression and pattern recognition are used. (But this is just a guess if anybody out there is listening ). AFA theorists ... its a fact! The FBI admits the use of Carnivore and the Justice Department is investigating its use. Do a little bit of reading before theorizing what can't be possible.
      <TABLE BGCOLOR=Red><TR><TD><Font-weight="+1"><font COLOR=Black>The world just changed, Sep. 11, 2001</font></Font-weight></TR></TD></TABLE>

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      • #18
        SIGH.

        Look.

        When I send a packet from me to you, how do they know where it goes? _I_ don't know what route it will take. NOBODY does. In order to monitor me they need to monitor either my local switch (shared with hundreds of other DSL customers, all streaming 1mbit/sec. EACH) or else ALL possible routes.

        I agree that with a hefty machine you could monitor ME specifically. But this would assume (here comes the conspiracy theory) that EVERY ISP in EVERY CITY has allowed these mysterious people to plug into EVERY SWITCH in EVERY RELAY BOX on their network.

        Now, since Commonwealth Telephone can't even decide WHERE my switch is on any given day, or identify WHICH router I'm hooked up to when I complain that it is dead... I doubt that they have allowed secret echelon types into their switchrooms.

        So, if we abstract it to the RELAY switches, you are now talking TERABYTES of data EVERY SINGLE SECOND.

        This is the same damn argument that came up when the senate tried to get someone to tell them how feasible it would be to implement their Internet porn restriction bill. They were basically told that it wasn't possible.

        And it ISN'T possible. If you can't tap my line before it hits a switch, you can't monitor me.

        As for the idea that the government can randomly and arbitrarily break RC5 level encryption, that's just laughable. It hasn't even been done for a single key yet, nevermind a general algorithm.

        And for years I auto-spoofed my e-mails (a signature that included ALL the "flag words"). Nary a glitch. I've sent e-mails that quite seriously talked about presidential assassination, and things that PROBABLY are a matter of national security... to people on the other side of the pond. And despite that, I pass FAIRLY hefty security screening.

        As for the NSA eavesdropping on transatlantic calls, it might have been done. But given the state of voice recognition software EVEN TODAY, I rather doubt that 20 years ago they had a COMPUTER doing it.

        Now, just so you don't think I'm a total naysayer - I've been involved in my share of conspiracy theories. In fact, the more involved I got throughout my life in the world of the government and defense contracting (something I'm WELL away from now), the more scared I got about conspiracies, etc. etc.

        But the amount of information traveling over the Internet at any given time is just too big. The network traffic passing a SINGLE backbone switch might be doable, but not in realtime.

        - Gurm

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        Listen up, you primitive screwheads! See this? This is my BOOMSTICK! Etc. etc.
        The Internet - where men are men, women are men, and teenage girls are FBI agents!

        I'm the least you could do
        If only life were as easy as you
        I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
        If only life were as easy as you
        I would still get screwed

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        • #19
          AGHHH the tinfoil has just fallen of my head!!! they can see me!!! they can see me!!!

          Nah seriously, they could watch static machines, if they wanted to, but they cant monitor many....

          If they want to study your electronic commings and goings, they could... but you are just one wildebeast, among millions..... they wont target you unles they have reason...

          however who ARE THEY?!?!

          bored at work
          Red

          [This message has been edited by RedRed (edited 31 May 2001).]
          Dont just swallow the blue pill.

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          • #20
            GRUM

            There is a man with an shades and an earpiece outside your house..... I saw him!!!

            There is a van with tinted windows round the corner......

            take care Grum, take care................(click)


            bored at work
            Red
            Dont just swallow the blue pill.

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            • #21
              Here we have a group of people who know me.

              It's called MURC.

              Some of you can't spell my handle properly.

              Perhaps two of you know why I use the handle.

              Perhaps three or four of you can spell my last name correctly (or even know it).

              And yet I am to believe that there are men in trenchcoats who want me? Yeah. Ok. SUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE.

              You go right on believing that. You can also believe in mind-control rays, the Philadelphai Experiment, and that they have Hitler's brain alive in a jar in a government lab. Next door to the aliens from Roswell.

              Yup.

              - Gurm

              ------------------
              Listen up, you primitive screwheads! See this? This is my BOOMSTICK! Etc. etc.
              The Internet - where men are men, women are men, and teenage girls are FBI agents!

              I'm the least you could do
              If only life were as easy as you
              I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
              If only life were as easy as you
              I would still get screwed

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              • #22
                Well, I think he was just joking around.

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                • #23
                  Gurm

                  Sorry I mistyped your name.... I dont know why you call yourself Gurm... I dont really care!

                  I was agreeing with you, in a jokey kind of way.... there was no offense meant...

                  I dont want to trip your trigger

                  bored at home
                  Red

                  PS bet you dont know why I call myself Red or da Fooster?
                  (hint I am NOT a communist!!!)

                  pps bet you dont care either!

                  Dont just swallow the blue pill.

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                  • #24
                    I just hacked onto the net through the closet I have been stuffed in using a top of the line vaccumm cleaner its hard to puff and suck morse code to produce the letters let alone proper spelling Some one please send help Anyone know the morse code for a frowny face damn there back for the ritual beating


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                    • #25
                      You kids sure have dragged this thread into the gutter. Why don't you go play in TSB if you're bored?
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                      • #26
                        Sounds like a plan Xortam

                        Off we go...
                        "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Seuss

                        "Always do good. It will gratify some and astonish the rest." ~Mark Twain

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