Mozilla 0.9.1 out

[Jorden]

Thanks JLP, and I wish I could find the image blocker for certain (so NOT all!!) sites in IE

[Pace]

<ul>[*]Different OSs - doesn't bother me[*]Cookie management - info please [*]Password management - in what way?[*]Image management - eh?[*]Form management - explain please too [*]Look at the code? Bah...[/list]

P.

[Pace]

Ok, looking at image management we have 3 options:
<ul>[*]Download all images[*]Download images from originating server[*]Download no images[/list]

With IE we have images on or off. The only problem with Mozilla is that it renders my webcounter useless

P.

[Jorden]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by Pace:
[*]Cookie management - info please </font>

Just as it says, Paul. You can block cookies from certain sites, you can unblock them and you can view which cookies you have stored

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">[*]Password management - in what way?</font>

- View Stored Passwords (and sites)
- Change Personal Security Password, which even checks your typing. If your password is less than 7 chars long, you will see this on the bar
- Log Out... errm, haven't got a clue
- Encrypt Sensitive Information... should explain itself. Again with the password typing check
- Clear Sensitive Data... clear unencrypted data after encryption, from both memory and harddrive

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">[*]Image management - eh?</font>

Block and unblock sites to show you images. Also View which sites you have blocked, and manage them

EDIT: It doesn't work on ALL ads though!! Flash Ads are not blocked by this blocker!!

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">[*]Form management</font>

Press the demonstration option to see what this is

Jord.

[This message has been edited by Jorden (edited 09 June 2001).]

[This message has been edited by Jorden (edited 10 June 2001).]

[Jorden]

Cookies extra.
Enabling cookies from the original site only, will not store a cookie from the ads on your PC
Thus loading the MURC even faster

Jord.

[HollyBerri]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by Rags:
The thing is that IE was given away for free for some time, and people still insisted on using netscape for some time because it was a better browser. But then some new standards were adopted that fell in between what Netscape and IE were pulling for, and IE 4 came out and supported, for the most part, these standards while Netscape stayed stagnant.</font>

Was it not also that MS made a big point of:[list=1][*] giving away their SDK free, and;[*] including FrontPage and/or the Web Publishing Wizard (not to mention enabling Word to create/edit Web Pages) in the Office Suite and/or Windows;[/list=a]which enabled many Web page creators to "optimize" their pages for IE? What that seemed to add up to was that the pages would load in IE (because they followed the MS standards and used the MS Virtual machine and Java engine), but not in Netscape (who admittedly did not play a good game of catch-up at all).

Thus, the user (me, for instance), had to use IE, because the pages said user was visiting simply could not be viewed in NS, and would often say so on the splash page in fact. Not to mention that if there was Javascript, and/or Popup Hell involved due to entry and exit popups, at least IE wouldn't crash. Though having 3-15 popups open wasn't much of an improvement, imo....

But it seems to me that MS had a many-pronged plan to win the browser war: create a new standard, create a browser that supported that standard and make it very available, and force the data to that standard by making it simple for the creators to use that standard.

Good plan; I'm not surprised that it worked. I'm just grateful that Mozilla works almost as well so far, and uses the interface I used for most of my surfing life, so that I have some kind of a choice.

I do wish those arrow keys worked, though...

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Holly



[This message has been edited by HollyBerri (edited 10 June 2001).]

[xortam]

MSFT has a vested interest in controlling content on the web. MSFT started pumping a ton of resources in this effort once they woke up to the fact that the internet was here and gaining momentum in the home as well as office. They always try to deploy proprietary solutions that will lock you into their platforms or they'll pervert standards in order to have the same effect. Look at the battle with Sun on the Java front. They don't want write-once run-everywhere SW taking hold. Their view of Java was its simply a language. Now look what's happened. MSFT also pushes DHTML and such. MSFT has now learned they really have to play the standards game in order to compete in the enterprise and they are placing more effort in working with the standards bodies to adopt their extensions.

[Rags]

Holly,

The main problem with NS isn't pages that were created with IE proprietary software, it's the fact that they never adopted some of the standards (at least properly) that were set back then, and they had more of their proposed standards enacted. Go figure.

Java is a good example, they were the ones who were pushing Java around, and MS was slow to uptake it, but once it gained popularity, MS came out with a browser that utilized Java seemlessly, not so with Netscape.

Now are there some pages that are made using proprietary IE stuff? Sure, but most HTML coders will tell you that it's working backwards. Most people want to stick with a common standard so that most people will be able to view the page, but the problem is that Netscape (even with Mozilla) has problems viewing standard HTML code done in plain text editor.

All the Cookie tossing, Image grinding, and form shredding in the world won't mean squat unless they first make a browser that will install seemlessly and easily, and just plain work with TODAY'S standards. It's getting better, and the new features and open source is cool, but there is a ways to go before they even scrape into the mainstream acceptance.

Rags

[xortam]

Rags ... MSFT has stopped supporting Java.

[Rags]

xortam,

That's just word play. IE works fine with Java. They just aren't adding more into the mix. I am sure that if Java hangs some more, more will be added.

Rags

[xortam]

Well its a dynamic market and strategies can quickly change. MSFT will play along when they have to and lock you into their own solutions once they can.

[Rags]

LOL

That's a funny one. Slam someone for something they haven't done as of yet.

Why not bring up some real things they have done that were wrong. Like bullying OEMs into not bundling Netscape with their PC's?

Standards can only be made by a group, and locked by someone who has all the cards. Let's ask ourselves if most web developers really want to lock themselves into MSFT only. Right now I don't see it. I don't have a crystal ball, but I doubt this will ever gain acceptance. Especially because MSFT fails to understand a lot of the needs of the internet at this point in time. Sure, they are good at adopting the standards and making them work for themselves, but they have had a hell of a time getting their own standards going. The internet is a resiliant entity, and I don't think MSFT will ever be able to control it.

Rags

[xortam]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by Rags:
LOL

That's a funny one. Slam someone for something they haven't done as of yet.</font>

They've done if for years, time and time again.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2"> ... The internet is a resiliant entity, and I don't think MSFT will ever be able to control it. ...</font>

I tend to agree but that won't stop MSFT from concentrating their resources on that effort.

[Technoid]

All my keybord key's work in mozilla.

[Technoid]

I swear that the damned software that reports craches actualy creates them so it can justifie it's existance.

I first encountered in a nev version of NS.

It apered after a crash, and after that NS wouldent work more than 5 minutes without a crash that activated the "Talkback" software.

When I finaly Got it to quit and after I removed the binaries and reg entries NS went back into crash so infrequently that I usualy took it as the sign that it was time to quit when it actualy happened. (usualy somwhere around 4 in the morning....)

I downloaded the installer version of Mozilla and ofcourse got that POS software along.

Two Mozilla crashes within 5 minutes each!!!

In the same manner as NS used to do whenever I reinstalled it and forgot to "take care" of "Talkback"...