Cables (AGAIN!)

[TransformX]

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

[az]

Very, very old. Greebe posted this years ago

Still good and true, of course

[gt40]

Interesting thou.
you will go and by a piece of audio/video equipment and they will point you to the $100 cables that they recommend- anything less and you wouldn't be getting the 'full experience'
then you look behind their high dollar state of the art floor models, and what do you see - the cheapo $10 cables

"no thanks, I'll just have the same cables you are using"

[TransformX]

Actually, I'm using a four 2.5mm core extension cord for my rear speakers. It's solid, it's white (exterior insulation), each core is individually insulated in pvc and it costs me around $1.5 per meter.

Much like this, only 4 copper cores:

[az]

The only reason to drop more than the bare minimum for cables is aesthetics or ruggedness for the stage.

[Mehen]

Depends on your speakers/amp, with some setups all cables will sound the same, with others there will be a big difference.

[Mehen]

Also, (again some setups there wont be a diff, some there will) when you have been listening to the same music, and the exact same setup for YEARS, and start switching cables, it can be quite easy to notice differences.

edit: but are these differences worth the $$$? for all but a very small population: no

[Nowhere]

Quoting this thread http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php?t=61328

Even in dubble blind tests?

[Technoid]

Also, (again some setups there wont be a diff, some there will) when you have been listening to the same music, and the exact same setup for YEARS, and start switching cables, it can be quite easy to notice differences.

edit: but are these differences worth the $$$? for all but a very small population: no

as the culprit is most certainly oxidation you'll get the exact same result by cutting of an inch
of the old cables ends and polish the connectors a bit

[Umfriend]

In my setup, I have somewhat low-impedance speakers (nom. 4 ohm, min I think around 2.8 and ribbon tweeters) and a very high internal-impedance amp. In such a setup, you need good wires. What is good? Well, the table that guy gives sounds about right. Good is, in my case, just a bit thicker than normal. Not $1.5 a meter but at $7 not that much more.

I do think I mentioned stripping about a cm from the cables not to long ago and, yes, that does make them better.

[gt40]

My setup sounds much better when I've got a cold beer in my hand.

[TransformX]

My setup sounds much better when I've got a cold beer in my hand.

As the article says, when comparing cables, to make sure it's not psycho-acoustics, see if you can tell at which cable length, there's no more difference.
Electronic fact is, if you're using 2.5mm cables, at 2 meter cable length you simply can't hear any difference.

[Mehen]

as the culprit is most certainly oxidation you'll get the exact same result by cutting of an inch
of the old cables ends and polish the connectors a bit

people who spend thousands also regularily clean/polish

[Fluff]

with the price of copper at moment, active starts making more sense

[RichL]

I love the cable supports - some of the old engineers I worked with would be pissing themselves with laughter at those

I've got QED 79-strand stuff for my system, and Maplins HQ-Speaker cable for the rear surround speakers.
Before that, I used 15a 240v solid cored ring main cable, which in a "What Hi-Fi" test had scored 4/5 stars.