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  • Finnaly found the G400. It's really great

    Today I finally got my hands on a Matrox G400 32 MB Dualhead over here in Holland. Was a close call. It was the last one they had from their batch and the next one wasn't due until in 4 weeks.

    2D seems to be faster than my previous intel 740 based AGP card, but clarity is exactly the same. But I'm running my 15" monitor only at 1024x768. So I'll leave the higher resolutions up to the others. ;-)

    I immediately played all games and never even used 16 bit again. 32 bit indeed is much better to look at. Transparency and multitexturing with more than 2 textures aren't dithered or banded. And overall the image seems more colorfull. And yes, I DO notice it while playing. Glad to get rid of my Voodoo2 and it's ugly banding, dithering and horizontal stripes.

    All my Direct3D games run fluently in 1024x768 32 bit color and nobody can tell me anymore that 32 bit is out of the question and that it has a too big performance hit. Quake II runs quite smoothly 1024x768x32, but sometimes stutter. Can't wait to get my hands on new drivers.

    And ofcourse some benchmarking in Quake 3 Test 2:

    Pentium II 450 MHz
    128 MB RAM
    Matrox G400 32 MB dualhead (default clock settings)

    Quake 3 game settings were all on except for VSync and High quality sky. Color depth at 32 bit, textures at highest setting in 32 bit and no compression. High detail geometry and bilinear filtering. Hope I didn't miss anything.

    q3testdemo1 q3testdemo2
    640x480x32 34.0 37.0
    800x600x32 32.9 36.4
    1024x768x32 28.8 33.8

    Tried to overclock after heavy usage of the card, using Powerstrip GX. I managed to clock my card at 133 MHz core and 175 MHz memory. After that I get anomalies. Maybe time for a big cooler like I someone else posted here.

    Running q3testdemo1 at 1024x768x32 I got 29.3 fps, so on my system my plain G400 isn't fillrate limited but rather CPU limited. (Tombman, I still believe that nVidia's drivers again have some multitexturing problems or something if my plain G400 has better scores than your TNT2 Ultra with much better OpenGL drivers.)

    Matrox has found a new satisfied customer in me.

    With regards
    Frank Schoondermark


  • #2
    Hey Frank,

    Welcome to the club.

    Joel
    Libertarian is still the way to go if we truly want a real change.

    www.lp.org

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    System Specs: AMD XP2000+ @1.68GHz(12.5x133), ASUS A7V133-C, 512MB PC133, Matrox Parhelia 128MB, SB Live! 5.1.
    OS: Windows XP Pro.
    Monitor: Cornerstone c1025 @ 1280x960 @85Hz.

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    • #3
      Does anyone know the url to get powerstrip gx?Thats the one without all the powerstrip BS right? Thanks
      Asus P2b(1011),P3 500,256 mb pc133,Matrox G400 DH,Asus 50x,Iomega zip,Mitsumi CDR,Ibm 20 gb hd,Promise ultra 66 controller,Sb Live,Win 2000 pro

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      • #4
        Don't do it dude.
        PowerStrip has some serious issues right now with the G400 (see the thread titled "G400: Odd OGL Probs continue" for details), and it screwing up the BIOS.
        Use G200clk.
        Core2 Duo E7500 2.93, Asus P5Q Pro Turbo, 4gig 1066 DDR2, 1gig Asus ENGTS250, SB X-Fi Gamer ,WD Caviar Black 1tb, Plextor PX-880SA, Dual Samsung 2494s

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        • #5
          Where can I get g200clk?

          Maybe it's time to place my Voodoo2 one slot lower. It's immediately besides my G400, giving it about 0.5 cm space for the cooling thingy. And else it's time for a extra fan. ;-)

          BTW: Anybody have an idea when the new Powerdesk will be released?

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          • #6
            franksch4: you are wrong again !

            If you get ~29 fps at 1024*768*32 (q3testdemo1) all maxed out EXCEPT sky and only bilinear with you g400 you are NOT CPU limited , you are NOT
            FILL RATE limited BUT YOU ARE DRIVER LIMITED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            You really have a talent on drawing false conclusions ;-)

            BTW : i get 40,4 FPS with YOUR SETTINGS and so my tnt2ultra IS FASTER !!!
            (and that is independent of cpu power)
            (my system : PIII527, tnt2ultra(170/210))

            p.s.: i will get my g400max monday or tuesday (affirmed by matrox ;-) ) and then i will do some testing myself .....

            p.p.s: i hate q3 !!!!!! I had my PIII450 at 558 Mhz absolutely stable until q3 came ....so i replaced the standard retail heatsink with a tennmax P3TF cooler but this motherf*cking cpu refuses to stay stable at 558 Mhz . I have an Abit bx6 rev 2.0 ....maybe 124 is too much for it or the rams (pc 100 7ns) ???
            If someone has experience with the abit bx rev 2 at 124 FSB , please tell me !!!!!!!!




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            • #7
              Hey Tombman,

              you really don't have any programming/development experience, do you? You're babling. ;-)

              But as you can see, higher resolutions have a minor drop in fps. So I'm not yet fillrate limited. So with a good driver, my G400 may be almost as fast as your TNT2.

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              • #8
                Hey franksch4!

                You said that Vsync was disabled.
                I hope you test Vsync enabled because
                there is no difference!!!!

                OpenGL doesn't use Vsync, D3D does!


                VPLIN

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                • #9
                  I set VSync to disabled. I remember seeing tearing in Quake II, but I didn't really paid attention to that. Any way to turn it on?

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                  • #10
                    Sorry,

                    meant off!

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                    • #11
                      Vsynch with OGL is always disabled in this version of the ICD. There is no way to change that at this point...
                      Core2 Duo E7500 2.93, Asus P5Q Pro Turbo, 4gig 1066 DDR2, 1gig Asus ENGTS250, SB X-Fi Gamer ,WD Caviar Black 1tb, Plextor PX-880SA, Dual Samsung 2494s

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                      • #12
                        Just to be sure:

                        You mean that the screen will only be updated during Vertical Retrace, so that I can't get more fps than the current refresh rate.


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                        • #13
                          franksch4: It was ME that has said you are DRIVER limited !
                          If you agree , then why do you insult me ?
                          You are crazy !





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                          • #14
                            Vsynch disabled means it will NOT synch every frame to the monitor's refresh.

                            There should be no tearing problem, unless you are running at low res, low refresh rates. I have not yet seen q2, HL, or Q3 display any tearing (playing at 1024x32bit or higher of course )
                            Core2 Duo E7500 2.93, Asus P5Q Pro Turbo, 4gig 1066 DDR2, 1gig Asus ENGTS250, SB X-Fi Gamer ,WD Caviar Black 1tb, Plextor PX-880SA, Dual Samsung 2494s

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