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**Spider** · 12 August 1999, 08:47

look this...

3DMark Project:
3DMark Build Version: 200
Date: 1999.08.08
Time: 16:30:00
Project Name:G400 TESTS 16bit ALL
Comments: Matrox Mill-G400 32mb SingleHed
driver: P.Desk 5.13
BIOS:1.5-22
DX:6.1
default settings
Vsynch= ON

Project Settings (Template):
Rendering Platform: Internal (Matrox Millennium G400 - English)
Resolution: 1024*768
Color Depth: 16-bit Color
CPU Optimization: Intel(r) Pentium(r) III
Z-Buffer: 16-bit
Frame Buffer: Triple buffering
Refresh Rate: 83 Hz
Looping: Disabled
Texture Format: 16-bit, 4444 RGBA
Run Tests: Once
Title Screen: Shown

Test Results:
3DMark Result : 4.624 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed : 7.284 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score : 2.086 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race: 50,2 FPS
Game 2 - First Person: 42,9 FPS
Fill Rate : 214,6 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing : 215,9 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed: 226,8 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed: 181,0 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 123,3 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 96,0 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 58,1 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 3-pass: 72,4 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 2-pass: 94,8 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 1-pass: 171,1 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed: 111,1 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 100,0 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 73,6 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed: Not Supported
6 Pixel/individual: 1.925,5 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips: 3.034,8 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual: 1.844,9 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips: 1.897,6 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual: 1.163,4 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips: 1.210,9 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual: 458,1 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips: 478,1 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual: 152,9 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips: 163,6 KPolygons/s

System:
Windows Version: Windows 4 , Build 1998
DirectX Version: 4.06.02.0436
Bios Version: Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
Bios Date: 05/10/99
Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
Free Physical Memory: 52 MB

Processor:
Processor Type: Intel Pentium III
Processor Speed: 466 MHz
Processor Caps: MMX SSE
L1 Cache Size: 32 KB
L2 Cache Size: 512 KB

Desktop:
2D Display Adapter Name: Matrox Millennium G400 - English
2D Display Adapter Driver Date: 7-16-1999
Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Driver Date: 5-11-1998
Desktop Resolution: 1024*768
Desktop Color Depth: 16-Bit Color

3D Accelerator:
Name: Matrox Millennium G400 - English
Driver Name: G400DD32.DLL
Driver Version: 4.11.01.1130
Total Video Memory On Card: 32.698 KB
Total Texture Memory: 85.434 KB
Bus: AGP

Supported Features:
16-bit Rendering
32-bit Rendering
Point Sampling
Point Sampling With Mip-Mapping
Bilinear Filtering
Bilinear Filtering With Mip-Mapping
Trilinear Filtering
Specular Gouraud Shading
Vertex Fox
Table Fog
W-Fog
Sub-Pixel Accuracy
Alpha Blending
Addivitive Alpha Blending
Multiplicative Alpha Blending
Vertex Alpha Blending
Vertex And Texture Alpha Blending

Supported 3D Display Modes:
320*200, 16bit color
320*240, 16bit color
320*400, 16bit color
400*300, 16bit color
512*384, 16bit color
640*400, 16bit color
640*480, 16bit color
800*600, 16bit color
1024*768, 16bit color
1152*864, 16bit color
1280*1024, 16bit color
1600*1200, 16bit color
320*200, 32bit color
320*240, 32bit color
320*400, 32bit color
400*300, 32bit color
512*384, 32bit color
640*400, 32bit color
640*480, 32bit color
800*600, 32bit color
1024*768, 32bit color
1152*864, 32bit color
1280*1024, 32bit color
1600*1200, 32bit color

Supported Texture Formats:
16-bit, 565 RGB
16-bit, 4444 RGBA
16-bit, 5551 RGBA
15-bit, 555 RGB
32-bit, 8888 RGBA
24-bit, 888 RGB

& with HardCore OC useing SoftFSB&MGATWEAK beta

3DMark Project:
3DMark Build Version: 200
Date: 1999.08.11
Time: 08:48:45
Project Name:G400 HC OC MAXsettings
Comments: PIII@450@504

G400 GCLK 150

Vsync OFF

32bit zbf OFF

OC tools : SoftFSB,MGATWEAKbeta009

!!!! These Settings are for TEST PURPUSE ONLY!!!!

test runs STABILE

I will not use those setings as my REGULAR setting It is STABILE but should demonstrate the MAXIMUM OC on my PC & simulate the G400 GLCK@150 MEM@200 like G400MAX...

!!!! DO NOT O/C your PC or G400 because it could DAMAGING system !!!!!!!!

Project Settings (Template):
Rendering Platform: Internal (Matrox Millennium G400 - English)
Resolution: 1024*768
Color Depth: 16-bit Color
CPU Optimization: Intel(r) Pentium(r) III
Z-Buffer: 16-bit
Frame Buffer: Triple buffering
Refresh Rate: VSync Off
Looping: Disabled
Texture Format: 16-bit, 4444 RGBA
Run Tests: Once
Title Screen: Shown

Test Results:
3DMark Result : 5.151 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed : 7.973 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score : 2.505 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race: 56,5 FPS
Game 2 - First Person: 47,4 FPS
Fill Rate : 256,5 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing : 257,6 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed: 288,7 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed: 227,2 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 153,0 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 116,3 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 66,3 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 3-pass: 86,6 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 2-pass: 113,1 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 1-pass: 201,3 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed: 111,1 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 100,0 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 73,7 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed: Not Supported
6 Pixel/individual: 2.110,9 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips: 3.619,1 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual: 2.162,7 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips: 2.286,0 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual: 1.406,8 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips: 1.461,7 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual: 551,6 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips: 579,8 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual: 185,1 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips: 198,2 KPolygons/s

System:
Windows Version: Windows 4 , Build 1998
DirectX Version: 4.06.02.0436
Bios Version: Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
Bios Date: 05/10/99
Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
Free Physical Memory: 42 MB

Processor:
Processor Type: Intel Pentium III
Processor Speed: 504 MHz
Processor Caps: MMX SSE
L1 Cache Size: 32 KB
L2 Cache Size: 512 KB

Desktop:
2D Display Adapter Name: Matrox Millennium G400 - English
2D Display Adapter Driver Date: 7-16-1999
Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Driver Date: 5-11-1998
Desktop Resolution: 1024*768
Desktop Color Depth: 32-Bit Color

3D Accelerator:
Name: Matrox Millennium G400 - English
Driver Name: G400DD32.DLL
Driver Version: 4.11.01.1130
Total Video Memory On Card: 32.697 KB
Total Texture Memory: 83.897 KB
Bus: AGP

Supported Features:
16-bit Rendering
32-bit Rendering
Point Sampling
Point Sampling With Mip-Mapping
Bilinear Filtering
Bilinear Filtering With Mip-Mapping
Trilinear Filtering
Specular Gouraud Shading
Vertex Fox
Table Fog
W-Fog
Sub-Pixel Accuracy
Alpha Blending
Addivitive Alpha Blending
Multiplicative Alpha Blending
Vertex Alpha Blending
Vertex And Texture Alpha Blending

Supported 3D Display Modes:
320*200, 16bit color
320*240, 16bit color
320*400, 16bit color
400*300, 16bit color
512*384, 16bit color
640*400, 16bit color
640*480, 16bit color
800*600, 16bit color
1024*768, 16bit color
1152*864, 16bit color
1280*1024, 16bit color
1600*1200, 16bit color
320*200, 32bit color
320*240, 32bit color
320*400, 32bit color
400*300, 32bit color
512*384, 32bit color
640*400, 32bit color
640*480, 32bit color
800*600, 32bit color
1024*768, 32bit color
1152*864, 32bit color
1280*1024, 32bit color
1600*1200, 32bit color

Supported Texture Formats:
16-bit, 565 RGB
16-bit, 4444 RGBA
16-bit, 5551 RGBA
15-bit, 555 RGB
32-bit, 8888 RGBA
24-bit, 888 RGB

**Spider** · 12 August 1999, 08:56

ah...yes!.. SMATR GUY lets test 1024x768x32 32bit zbf ON or higher... & U wiil see how your PROUD TNT wuld handle these settings...ty it !

**Zwisch** · 12 August 1999, 10:15

Hi,

Tried both a G400 and a TNT2 ultra (which I am using right now) and I can tell you that I will not hesitate a bit to buy a 4X G400 when they are out!! The TNT2 is a nice card but you really do not have the same amount of features as a G400!!

Ciao

Z

**arbymo** · 12 August 1999, 11:40

Himself ... hi ..
just to give you an advice ... turn vsync on with your G400 ... you'll see comparable results if not higher than your TNT ..
the reason is :
if triple buffer is enabled .. then vsync on is faster than vsync off .. if only using duoble buffering .. then vsync off is faster than vsync on ..
hope this help ..
i tested this myself on my G200 8 SD .. with triple buffer and vsync on i get higher score than vsync off .. also the hihger your refresh .. the higher your score when vsync is enabled
)

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GigaByte 6BXE, celeron 300A@464, 128 PC100 RAM,
G200 8 M SD @112.5 core. driver 4.51, bios 2.3.

[This message has been edited by arbymo (edited 08-12-1999).]

**Himself** · 12 August 1999, 12:34

Spider, I posted for the sake of AMD owners, your PIII scores don't really signify anything. My G400 scores were using 148/198, my TNT scores using 110/125. In fact the AMD K6-3 at 112MHz bus is 125 3dmark99max points higher that the K6-3 at 100MHz bus.

The G400 scores are much lower with the same settings as the TNT, this is about as high as I can get them, no matter what. Vsync on does no better. Again, this is about AMD cpus, and a G400 vs a TNT 1, not a TNT 2. I think it shows that fillrate isn't important so long as you don't have a faster cpu. It also shows that the TNT has crappy texture performance relative to a G400, could be a 32MB video ram thing, but I noticed some PIII/TNT 2 scores at 640x480 being lower even. It also shows that the G400 need more work even in D3D.

Have fun.

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"putain qu'est-ce ça rame!!!"

**Matrox** · 12 August 1999, 13:21

Hi Himself,

Can 3dMark tell the difference between tri-linearing filtering and tri-linear filtering?

Also can it tell if a card is doing auto mip mapping?

Haig

**Spider** · 12 August 1999, 19:08

Hi ! Himself..

Did U notice that my test was run @ 1024x768x16 with standard settings like Vsinc ON not OC & your was @ 800x600x16...so what is your point ?....there time the G400 drivers rae not so much optimized for AMD users but that will change in next driver.rev...If U want...I outperform A CRETIVE LABS TNT 16mb with my older Matrox-Mill-G200 8mb SD @ 800x600x16 so dont tell me thet a standard RIVA TNT can match with G400...try this : play SIN (version 1005)@ 1024x768x32 32bit zbf ON & USE DEFAULT OPENGL not optimized one like RIVA OPENGL....try it first with your dam TNT then try the HIGHEST settings with G400..

I tryed those RIVA product : Diamond Viper 330,Creative Labs TNT 16 & ASUS V3800 UTNT 32

& with ALL those cards I got many PROBLEMS like BLACK WINDOWS,LOW AGP results,DARK SCREAN in OPENGL,shiped DRIVERS on CD newer worked...many driver revisons ,TURBO this , Turbo that, Detonator ,REFERNCE drivers, Manufactur DRIVERS ...ALL THE SAME S:IT !...actuly on NEW formated DRIVE with NEW instaled WIN98 I could not install any driver without messing around about 2 hrs & get system crashes few tim eawen with NEWEST REVISONS...that SUCKS so bad that I said NEWER,NEWER,NEWER again a Nvidia product...ah yess...did I said somthing about CRASHING IN Q2....or TEXTURE CORUPTION..ect

ALL WHAT I CAN SAY... TNT drivers aro NO MATCH to MATROX one....

I think THAT U TNT gys just provocate.. defenetly Nvidia LOST the battle THIS TIME !

**Buuri** · 12 August 1999, 20:25

Haig,

Could you tell the difference between "tri-linearing filtering and tri-linear filtering"?
I'm not quite following you here..

B

**Meek** · 12 August 1999, 21:20

Well, it seems to be a well known fact that the latest TNT drivers are well opimized for 3dnow!, and the G400 drivers are not.

I hope this will change. Receiving my G400 today, to run with my old K6-2... at least for a while.

Maybe Matrox could tell when the enhancements will arrive (well they never really came to G200, so why bother.)

M.

**Himself** · 13 August 1999, 00:02

Spider,

With AMD cpus, it really really doesn't make much difference whether you use 800x600 or 1024x768, in fact I get pretty much the exact same scores with 1152x864x32 as I do in
640x480x16 on the G400 in the expendable demo, and the TNT 1 is almost identical along the ranges until it hits 1152x864x32, then it drops 5 fps.

"I think THAT U TNT gys just provocate.. defenetly Nvidia LOST the battle THIS TIME !"

I am just looking for ways to improve the G400 performance on my system, I could care less about pissing contests. I'd love it if the G400 were much faster, but I would like to see at least on par performance.

"I tryed those RIVA product : Diamond Viper 330,Creative Labs TNT 16 & ASUS V3800 UTNT 32

& with ALL those cards I got many PROBLEMS like BLACK WINDOWS,LOW AGP results,DARK SCREAN in OPENGL,shiped DRIVERS on CD newer worked...many driver revisons ,TURBO this , Turbo that, Detonator ,REFERNCE drivers, Manufactur DRIVERS ...ALL THE SAME S:IT !...actuly on NEW formated DRIVE with NEW instaled WIN98 I could not install any driver without messing around about 2 hrs & get system crashes few tim eawen with NEWEST REVISONS...that SUCKS so bad that I said NEWER,NEWER,NEWER again a Nvidia product...ah yess...did I said somthing about CRASHING IN Q2....or TEXTURE CORUPTION..ect"

I have noticed quite a bit of driver quirks in some game demos, above and beyond what I saw with my TNT 1, but I am patient enough to wait for another driver release. X demo, the intro for instance shows the eye texture instead of the planet earth, all throughout textures jump, no such problems with the TNT.
Q3test works perfect with both, well other than the regular resolution changing crap. You have to adjust the gamma for dark games with both, no biggy. Both "star wars" demos, pod racer, and f1 squadron have severe texture problems on the G400 that don't appear on the TNT 1.

Matrox,

"Can 3dMark tell the difference between tri-linearing filtering and tri-linear filtering?"

I wouldn't be surprised if it could, but I can't. As it runs though the tests it tries both trilinear and bilinear, so I guess they are there somewhere. I used trilinear with the TNT 1.

"Also can it tell if a card is doing auto mip mapping?"

No idea about the auto mipmapping on the G400 side, the TNT 1 was set up to do it.
This is where a nice tweak control panel would be nice for the G400.

Guyver,

Again, PIII scores don't really matter here.
They won't help show where the G400 is slow on an AMD system, or where my results might be off due to some lack of tweaking.

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"putain qu'est-ce ça rame!!!"

**Himself** · 13 August 1999, 00:06

Meek,

The TNT 1 drivers are simply optimized in general for D3D, the only 3D-now! that might exist in the TNT drivers would be related to bace face culling. And the Intel cpus are so much farther ahead in 3dmark99max I'd say 3d-now! has very little to do with it.

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"putain qu'est-ce ça rame!!!"

**Nuno** · 13 August 1999, 02:34

Buuri:

I think Haig is trying to point out that TNT´s don´t do REAL trilinear filtering: they just dither mipmap boundaries, resulting in lesser image quality. It´s just the plain old bilinear filtering with a new trick. Matrox Gx00 do REAL trilinear filtering, that´s why trilinear % of bilinear is lower. It´s just because it´s the real thing.

**LAMFDTK** · 13 August 1999, 02:37

Gee I needed a refresher thread in this much neglected topic. Thanks...

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