Q3 new benchmarks with 5.25

[paulcs]

Quake3 is an odd case, in that there isn't really a single player option. (I guess you could enable bots, but that's not the point.) Good players argue that in online deathmatches, and that's what Q3 is designed for, framerates are just as important as ping, and to play at high resolutions with all the bells and whistles enabled is counterproductive. It puts you at a severe disadvantage.

On the other had, benchmarking and competition are two different things, and the game certainly is feature rich. Leaving some of the bells and whistles enabled is useful as well, and that's why I suggested a middle ground.

The only reason I suggested that sound be enabled is because ID suggested it after they fixed the timedemo feature. I don't know what their rationale was, and I certainly agree that anything that reduces the number of variables, particularly if you intend to publish your results, is probably a good thing. The same thing goes for Vsync.

It was a just a suggestion. As Jim Hightower once said, there's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow lines and dead armadillos. However, I do think the purpose of this forum is, obviously, to provide information. And there's an element of science to benchmarking. It would be easier to understand the information presented here if our methodologies were similar.

Again, it was just a suggestion.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[Snake-Eyes]

I agree with you about this Paul, and as a side note, for my own comparisons (on my machine) I leave the sound enabled. The only reason I turn everything up is to see which ICD gives me the best framerate. After I get that sorted out, I usually either turn down texture detail a notch from the highest, or set textures to 16bit, since none of the ICD's yet allow me to play the game with those set- there always comes a point in a game where there's a lot of guys shooting in one of the more texture-intesive areas, and I always experience some sort of slowdown in those situations with everything maxed. The only difference between the drivers in that situation is the amount of slowdown. It's still nearly unplayable.

Hopefully Carmack is right about the multitexturing allowing us to turn everything up at 1024 and still get good framerates in nearly all situations. The only thing that bothers me about his statement is the situation with Half-Life OpenGL, you know the one. Disabling the game's use of multi-texturing actually boosted the card's performance an appreciable amount. If Q3 does this, the card will perform more slowly with the MT enabled than it does now, without it. Hope that doesn't become the case, though.

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Ace

[Kx30]

Thank you for your efforts coolbreeze , but can you make this one for me :
1024*768*16 , 16tex (4/4) , bilinear, game settings all on , vsync OFF , sound high
all else on high, demo1

What are your settings in mgatwaek?

p.s.: please don´t call me tombman , because i am not him..

[Maniac]

I get 38.3fps Kx30
C464A G400@150/200

[Kx30]

Thx maniac , but coolbreeze seems to have found a way to get higher results so his results are important..

[Marco]

This are my settings benchmarking Q3

My specs are Celeron 300A@450
G400 SH @144core and 192mem
128MB PC100 Cas2 Ram

I've enabled all the PD5 RegHacks as Anisotropic, BumpFiltering, D3DRendering, FlipOnVblank ect...but didn't enabled the 32bit z stencil

1024*768
32bitColor
32bitTextures
TexSlider at max
BilinearFiltering

vsync Beta ICD Q3demo1 32.6
Q3demo2 38.0
no vsync Beta ICD Q3demo1 33.6
Q3demo2 39,2

800*600 same Game Setiings as at 1024*768

vsync Beta ICD Q3demo1 39.2
Q3demo2 42.0
no vsync Beta ICD Q3demo1 40.2
Q3demo2 41.8

Naturaly I've used the MGA Tweak version 1.12
I'm very happy now, choiced the G400 out of all the other cards.Maybe the performance increase with the next new driver.Isn't it wondering how fast Matrox released the new driver??

[CoolBreeze]

Kx30,

With your settings...1024x768x16..16 tex...FULL tex...bilinear...etc...

Q3 Map Demo 1 :49.7 fps

My settings are as followed on MGA Tweak:

System Clock is at : 297.00
Graphics Clock is at : 148.50
Memory Clock is at : 198
WARP Clock is at : 148.50

All other settings on MGA are at the default settings.

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P3 500(not overclocked)
128 MB PC100 SDRAM
SE440BX-2 Motherboard by Intel
Seagate 8.4 gig HDD
Diamond MX300 Sound Card
AOpen 40x CD ROM
Ethernet 32 bit PCI Card
Motorola Cable Modem
Matrox G400 32 OEM Single Head @150
17" CRT Monitor
Altec Lansing 2 Speakers and Sub

----CoolBreeze aka KAST----

[tish beta2]

All this is very confusing, even though paulcs purposed some ultimate settings or something (was that four different settings?, 800x16, 800x32, 1024x16 and 1024x32?)

Too much variables. And it's no point either to find a "50% speed, 50% quality" balance. just more bullshit

Ok, from now on, let's get real! I will ignore all who don't follow this exactly, or do something like "I like to play in a window, cus then I can read my e-mail at the same time".

Here is what I want EVERYBODY to do:

1. Delete your q3config.cfg.
2. Start q3 with the following command line:

quake3 +seta r_mode 6 +seta r_fullscreen 1 +seta r_swapinterval 0 +vid_restart +s_initsound 0 +snd_restart +timedemo 1 +demo q3demo1

Description:

+seta r_mode 6 = 1024x768. Change this number for a different resolution.

+seta r_fullscreen 1 = Duh.. fullscreen as opposed to windowed.

+seta r_swapinterval 0 = Turn off VSYNC

+vid_restart = Applies the video settings

+s_initsound 0 = Sound is off

+snd_restart = Applies the sound settings

+timedemo 1 = Timedemo mode

+demo q3demo1 = Run the demo


That way we can just pust the NUMBER and nothing else! And of course a little note above the little (or big ) number saying "I benchmarked using the previous posted method by Tish"

ok? Then I can easily put up a table over what systems fair good or not. Yes please include system specs/driver revision.


Thank you !

[Kx30]

I don´t know how you did this coolbreeze , but the best thing i can get is around 40 fps in 16 bit (my settings). How you can get 49 fps is a riddle to me ;(
The others get my numbers so you must be a hacker
(doing the mgatweak in background thing didn´t help..no difference)
Maybe you used a setting in your system that you forgot to mention ?

[Spellbound]

I tried using Tish's command line and got 36.1fps. I'm wondering how this compares with everyone else. I also wonder if I did it right After deleting the q3config file I made a shortcut to the q3test exe file and added the command line options.

I am using PD 5.25 and the beta icd.
My system is as follows...
Celeron 366 oc'd to 561
256mb ram
G400MAX 32bit z enabled
sb live value
kingston kne110 nic

[SmilingCorpse]

Ehh...someone help me please.
System:
G400 DH @ 150/200
128Mb RAM
C366@568

I ran Q3test 1.07 q3testdemo1 at 1024x768 32bit, everything set on highest quality otherwise. And I only get 15.1 fps???

[SmilingCorpse]

Oh yeah forgot, I have the latest 5.25 and beta ICD.

[CoolBreeze]

Kx30,

I am no hacker by any means...i am a college student. All the info i recieve from tweaking CPU configs to building my own PC comes from internet forums(like this) and reserch. I did do a complete C:format when i got my P3 500...(b4 the 5.25 PD or the beta ICD was released)...all i can say is make sure you unziped the Beta ICD to your C:/WINDOWS/SYSTEM directory....and defrag your HDD...and have your MGA Tweak program running in the background with the settings you want saved...in your startup folder(minimized)...i am just happy i am getting these results...it was a bit slow b4 this driver release. Good luck to you...ill try to help and answer any questions you or anyone else has...

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P3 500(not overclocked)
128 MB PC100 SDRAM
SE440BX-2 Motherboard by Intel
Seagate 8.4 gig HDD
Diamond MX300 Sound Card
AOpen 40x CD ROM
Ethernet 32 bit PCI Card
Motorola Cable Modem
Matrox G400 32 OEM Single Head @150
17" CRT Monitor
Altec Lansing 2 Speakers and Sub

----CoolBreeze aka KAST----

[Marmita]

CoolBreeze I'm sorry to inform u but ur result r IMPOSSIBLE, simple as that...

I have the same computer that u have but my HD is faster and my G400 is o/c to 160/200 and my cpu is o/c to 575 and I have CAS2 mem (128mb) it simply can't be that u get better result and everyone else is wrong... So the only thing that can be right is that something is wrong with ur settings or config file or mybe ur not playing with full size window... when I reduce the window size 1 notch down I get 49fps... so mybe ur running 1 notch down from full screen ?? I really donno but for sure ur benchmarking scores r not possible.

PIII-500 @ 575 (L2 cache latency 4)
G400 32MB DH @ 160/200 (with memory optimized)
128mb Pc100 cas2
Asus p2b bios 1010
plextor cd-rom x32
seagate cheetah SCSI Ultra2Wide 1000rpm 9.1Gb

[Marmita]

CoolBreeze I'm sorry to inform u but ur result r IMPOSSIBLE, simple as that...

I have the same computer that u have but my HD is faster and my G400 is o/c to 160/200 and my cpu is o/c to 575 and I have CAS2 mem (128mb) it simply can't be that u get better result and everyone else is wrong... So the only thing that can be right is that something is wrong with ur settings or config file or mybe ur not playing with full size window... when I reduce the window size 1 notch down I get 49fps... so mybe ur running 1 notch down from full screen ?? I really donno but for sure ur benchmarking scores r not possible.

PIII-500 @ 575 (L2 cache latency 4)
G400 32MB DH @ 160/200 (with memory optimized)
128mb Pc100 cas2
Asus p2b bios 1010
plextor cd-rom x32
seagate cheetah SCSI Ultra2Wide 1000rpm 9.1Gb
Sound Monster MX300