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  • #1

    Stereotypical cry for help

    So, heres the deal, I formated my hard drive the other day and upgraded from win95 to win98 se. As to be expected everything seemed to be going well at first. Then I installed quake. Since then everything seems to have gone to hell in a handbasket. I've got an 8meg agp Millenium G200 and I'm running PD 5.13. GLQuake will run for about 10 seconds and then my system completly locks up. HereticII won't even load default opengl, I have to use that stupid G200 minigl driver that they wrote. So here's my system specs

    Asus P5A
    AMD K6-2 350 oced 392
    64mb PC100 SDRAM
    Matrox Millemium G200

    I know the problem is not the oced cpu cause I didn't actually discover that that setting was stable until today, and this problem was happening before that. Anyway, this problem is really pissing me off cause I suspect that I won't be able to play and OGL games until I fix it.
    If anyone has any suggestions please do tell.
    Thanks
    HedsSpaz
    Primary System:
    MSI 745 Ultra, AMD 2400+ XP, 1024 MB Crucial PC2100 DDR SDRAM, Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro, 3Com 3c905C NIC,
    120GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, 60 GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, Pioneer DVD 105S, BenQ 12x24x40 CDRW, SB Audigy OEM,
    Win XP, MS Intellimouse Optical, 17" Mag 720v2
    Seccondary System:
    Epox 7KXA BIOS 5/22, Athlon 650, 512 MB Crucial 7E PC133 SDRAM, Hercules Prophet 4500 Kyro II, SBLive Value,
    3Com 3c905B-TX NIC, 40 GB IBM UDMA 100 HD, 45X Acer CD-ROM,
    Win XP, MS Wheel Mouse Optical, 15" POS Monitor
    Tertiary system
    Offbrand PII Mobo, PII 350, 256MB PC100 SDRAM, 15GB UDMA66 7200RPM Maxtor HD, USRobotics 10/100 NIC, RedHat Linux 8.0
    Camera: Canon 10D DSLR, Canon 100-400L f4.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon 100 Macro USM Canon 28-135 f3.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon Speedlite 200E, tripod, bag, etc.

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C. Clarke
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  • #2
    yeah, try ONE more clean format and reinstall of win98se. Its really the only way to fix a problem with OpenGL. I ONCE had a problem whereby any OpenGL game refused to run even though they all used to run perfectly before. And this only a week after a fresh install. I tried everything, including uninstalling all g200 drivers, including registry entries, etc. Nothing helped. Formatted/reinstalled and bingo, works.

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    • #3
      Well drat. That's one of the things that I was kindof hoping to avoid. Oh well, thats life. I'll give it a shot.

      Thanks,
      HedsSpaz
      Primary System:
      MSI 745 Ultra, AMD 2400+ XP, 1024 MB Crucial PC2100 DDR SDRAM, Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro, 3Com 3c905C NIC,
      120GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, 60 GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, Pioneer DVD 105S, BenQ 12x24x40 CDRW, SB Audigy OEM,
      Win XP, MS Intellimouse Optical, 17" Mag 720v2
      Seccondary System:
      Epox 7KXA BIOS 5/22, Athlon 650, 512 MB Crucial 7E PC133 SDRAM, Hercules Prophet 4500 Kyro II, SBLive Value,
      3Com 3c905B-TX NIC, 40 GB IBM UDMA 100 HD, 45X Acer CD-ROM,
      Win XP, MS Wheel Mouse Optical, 15" POS Monitor
      Tertiary system
      Offbrand PII Mobo, PII 350, 256MB PC100 SDRAM, 15GB UDMA66 7200RPM Maxtor HD, USRobotics 10/100 NIC, RedHat Linux 8.0
      Camera: Canon 10D DSLR, Canon 100-400L f4.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon 100 Macro USM Canon 28-135 f3.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon Speedlite 200E, tripod, bag, etc.

      "Any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C. Clarke

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      • #4
        Even if you haven't OC you G200, it still can run too hot. A few weeks ago, I had random lock-ups, vague crashes and more unwanted shit. CPU wasn't too hot, so that was not the problem. However, case temperature was 38 degrees Celsius. (7200RPM SCSI HD.. one hot mamma) After touching the cool-thing on the Millennium I knew what was the problem.. ouch!!
        Slapped on a simple, cheap 486-fan which fits perfectly and won't need any modification to your bord. Et voila, no more crashes!

        So, check your temperature...

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        • #5
          My G200 sits too close to the next card, so I can't put a fan on the heat sink. My case is also a tower, so all the cards have the chips facing DOWN (why the industry settled on that as a standard is beyond me), so the air circulation sucks.

          What I did to fix this cheaply is:

          1) TAPED a small heat sink fan to the adjacent card, positioning it so it's blowing towards the heat sink, then

          2) used heat sink compund to "glue" a heat sink to the back of the card analogous to where the chip is sitting on the other side. I have a heat sink that has a flat surface with no lip, so it goes on perfectly flat.

          I think the heat sink on the back was the most important in the cooling step, because that spot got too hot to touch! And now the heat sink is too hot to touch, but that's okay - it supposed to be. That means it's doing its job.

          Since then I haven't had a single lockup in any game, including a long-standing fight that I had with NHL99 (which I'm ready to ditch when the Fox Sports hockey game comes out, but that belongs in a different forum).

          Bill


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          People call me a computer god; I remind them that I am merely a minor deity...
          People call me a computer god; I remind them that I am merely a minor deity...

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          • #6
            Drat it all. Well I tried reinstalling win98 se and it still crapped out on me. I suspect it has something to do with Win 98 SECOND EDITION. Whatever updates they made have somehow fuxored everything up. Although I don't quite know what. I'm especially confused cause I know there has to be someon else out there with a similar configuration that isn't having the problem. I'm thinking I may try installing the original version of Win98. As for the suggestions on heat, I know that is not the problem, cause everything ran fine under win95 with nothing overclocked. I've also tried PD 5.25 and that hasn't fixed the problem either.

            So, anyway, this is really starting to to drive me nuts. So if anyone has any other ideas please offer them.

            Thanks
            Primary System:
            MSI 745 Ultra, AMD 2400+ XP, 1024 MB Crucial PC2100 DDR SDRAM, Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro, 3Com 3c905C NIC,
            120GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, 60 GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, Pioneer DVD 105S, BenQ 12x24x40 CDRW, SB Audigy OEM,
            Win XP, MS Intellimouse Optical, 17" Mag 720v2
            Seccondary System:
            Epox 7KXA BIOS 5/22, Athlon 650, 512 MB Crucial 7E PC133 SDRAM, Hercules Prophet 4500 Kyro II, SBLive Value,
            3Com 3c905B-TX NIC, 40 GB IBM UDMA 100 HD, 45X Acer CD-ROM,
            Win XP, MS Wheel Mouse Optical, 15" POS Monitor
            Tertiary system
            Offbrand PII Mobo, PII 350, 256MB PC100 SDRAM, 15GB UDMA66 7200RPM Maxtor HD, USRobotics 10/100 NIC, RedHat Linux 8.0
            Camera: Canon 10D DSLR, Canon 100-400L f4.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon 100 Macro USM Canon 28-135 f3.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon Speedlite 200E, tripod, bag, etc.

            "Any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C. Clarke

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            • #7
              Similar system amd k6-2 350 efa mb 64 megs,g200 8megs.
              Be sure to get latest drivers for your mobo,have you updated quake?Why not try latest drivers from matrox?Suggest uninstalling quake,get all upgrades,make sure win98se is properly installed.scandisk,accessories- system tools-system information-tools-system file checker,etc.Re-clock your cpu to it's normal speed,until system is stable then overclock again.

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              • #8
                I GOT IT!!!!
                For any MB using the Ali Aladdin AGPset you have to install the drivers from Acerlabs. The old drivers which I was using were ver 1.50. It seems that Win98 and above was not supported until v1.53. So I downloaded and installed the v 1.60 drivers and low and behold everything worked. YEAH!!!

                Thanks for the suggestions though guys.
                Primary System:
                MSI 745 Ultra, AMD 2400+ XP, 1024 MB Crucial PC2100 DDR SDRAM, Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro, 3Com 3c905C NIC,
                120GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, 60 GB Seagate UDMA 100 HD, Pioneer DVD 105S, BenQ 12x24x40 CDRW, SB Audigy OEM,
                Win XP, MS Intellimouse Optical, 17" Mag 720v2
                Seccondary System:
                Epox 7KXA BIOS 5/22, Athlon 650, 512 MB Crucial 7E PC133 SDRAM, Hercules Prophet 4500 Kyro II, SBLive Value,
                3Com 3c905B-TX NIC, 40 GB IBM UDMA 100 HD, 45X Acer CD-ROM,
                Win XP, MS Wheel Mouse Optical, 15" POS Monitor
                Tertiary system
                Offbrand PII Mobo, PII 350, 256MB PC100 SDRAM, 15GB UDMA66 7200RPM Maxtor HD, USRobotics 10/100 NIC, RedHat Linux 8.0
                Camera: Canon 10D DSLR, Canon 100-400L f4.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon 100 Macro USM Canon 28-135 f3.5-5.6 IS USM, Canon Speedlite 200E, tripod, bag, etc.

                "Any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C. Clarke

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