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  • A Problem I've Had For About a Year (G200)...HELP!

    This is driving me mostly crazy.

    I have a Mystique G200 AGP (with 16MB), and I can't run any of the latest "non-certified" (but more recent) drivers. In this case, we're talking about PD 5.25.

    I used to only download the "certified" driver sets, and about a year ago (maybe?) I downloaded one of the newer, non-certified sets. It created some problems (see below), so I chalked it up to its "non-certification-ness" and reverted back to the certified set. No problems there.

    As we know, Matrox cranks out the certified sets VERY slowly. So I don't have the benefit of having all the latest and the greatest if I'm waiting on those.

    In any case, my problem is this:

    When I use the non-certified driver set (which seems nifty, BTW), I get all kinds of screen corruption and garbled fonts, etc. after a (seemingly) random amount of time. Sometimes I can work for hours before it manifests itself, sometime it shows up scant minutes after booting. Needless to say, this makes tracking down the CAUSE a bit of a nightmare.

    It's hard to describe exactly what's happening, so here's a link to a screenshot (it's 300K, but if you're willing, this'll help explain my problem without words):


    http://www.cyberenet.net/~redjr/screenshot.jpg

    It's ugly and nasty and it's driving me crazy!

    This is the exact behaviour I noticed a year ago with the (then) current non-certified drivers, and this is the exact behaviour I get with every non-certified set that comes out now.

    All the previous drivers are uninstalled as per Matrox's instructions, so the driver installs are as clean as I know how to make them, and it doesn't make any difference.

    Right now, I'm back at 4.33, and I don't see this problem. But I'm back at 4.33.

    The BIOS has been flashed to the latest version, and it makes no difference. I've tried toggling Bus Mastering (to no avail) and I've tried throttling back to AGPx1 instead of x2, and that made no difference either. Color depth (16bpp, 24bpp, 8bpp) doesn't affect this either, nor does resolution.

    My mainboard is a Giga-Byte GA-6BXE with the latest BIOS (3.3), and there aren't many options in the BIOS to tweak AGP settings or anything (actually, there are NO options), but I can't see how that should matter in this case.

    Anyhow, I've not gotten very useful feedback from Matrox (only form letter help for generic problems and when I follow-up with more questions, I get no answers - very frustrating!) and I'm hoping someone can tell me a) what's the magic difference between the non-certified and certified drivers that's causing this problem and b) any idea what it is/could be and how to fix it?

    Because as it stands, this is frustrating enough that I'm thinking I'll have to jump ship for the first time in five years and get a video board from a different company.

    Also, a side-problem... I've noticed that I can't change the screen size via the Matrox Display Properties function (through QuickDesk). The screen will stay at the current resolution, but the software will report that it's in a different resolution - very screwy! I can, however, correctly change the resolution using the "Microsoft method", by accessing the Display properties. That doesn't seem right.

    Anyway, any help/insight would be GREATLY appreciated - and sorry for my long-windedness.

    - Excalibur

    [This message has been edited by Excalibur (edited 09-17-1999).]
    PIII-866MHz @ 866MHz, ASUS CUSL2 MoBo (v1002a BIOS), 256MB (Mushkin)PC133 CAS2 RAM, MGA G400 MAX AGP 32MB; not overclocked; PD 6.14 / BIOS v1.6 - 25, SBLive! 5.1, Windows 98SE, DX7.0a and lots of other goodies that would just be showing off to list.

  • #2
    Well, Excalibur, it looks like a heat problem to me... I don't know if you've taken any precautions, but that's what my screen looks like if I get too hot or overclock too high.

    Paul

    edit- Greebe has a good point as well...

    [This message has been edited by Electric Amish (edited 09-17-1999).]
    Despite my nickname causing confusion, I have no religious affiliations.

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    • #3
      One thing is for sure, it has nothing to do with the drivers being certified or not. It could be an AGP problem as well. Try forcing AGPx1 or downclocking.

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      • #4
        Yup. Either heat or a bad memory module.
        I had the same thing happen with a off-brand memory module.

        Pull off the 8meg module (the card will run faster without it anyway). If it keeps happening, cool the card better.
        Core2 Duo E7500 2.93, Asus P5Q Pro Turbo, 4gig 1066 DDR2, 1gig Asus ENGTS250, SB X-Fi Gamer ,WD Caviar Black 1tb, Plextor PX-880SA, Dual Samsung 2494s

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        • #5
          Greebe --

          Thanks for taking a look! Here are my system specs:

          - Giga-Byte GA-6BXE Mainboard (latest BIOS)
          - Pentium II 450 (NOT overclocked)
          - 128MB ECC RAM
          - Mystique G200 AGP 8MB w/8MB add-on (IRQ-enabled; latest BIOS and latest drivers)
          - Diamond Monster 3D II 8MB (PCI; latest drivers)
          - Creative Labs DVD-Encore Decoder Board (PCI; latest drivers)
          - Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold 12MB (ISA; latest drivers)
          - Adaptec 2940 SCSI Controller (PCI)
          - Hitachi SuperScan 753 19" monitor
          - Windows 98 SE (clean install)
          - MS Serial Mouse (COM1)
          - USR/3Com Courier Ext. v.90 Modem (COM2)
          - 2 IDE Hard Drives
          - 1 IDE CD-ROM/DVD-ROM (Creative Labs) Drive
          - SCSI Internal ZIP Drive

          I suppose that's it. Nothing done up tricky or overclocked (so, the system isn't overclocked, and neither is the G200). Pretty straight-forward, actually.

          RE: the memory, no I haven't tried pulling it, though the thought crossed my mind this afternoon while tinkering. I may yet do that, but why would that only manifest while using non-certified drivers? Hmm.

          Electric Amish --

          Interesting. My machine doesn't tend to get very hot, as I don't often "stress" the video by doing anything considered "graphics intensive", especially when this problem occurs. I've felt the heat sink on the board after these occurances and it's never more than warm to the touch. I don't, on the other hand, have anything other than the CPU & case fan going, so for what that's worth... Oh, and as I said above, I don't have anything overclocked. Strange, isn't it?

          Hunsow --

          Well it may or may not, but it seems odd to me that it only happens (strictly!) when I "upgrade" to non-certified drivers. I have forced AGPx1 as I mentioned originally and this didn't change the situation. Regarding downclocking, is there a way to downclock a G200 running at its factory settings (i.e. slower than intended)?

          Kruzin --

          I think I'll have to *sigh* pull the memory and re-install the 5.25 driver set and see what happens. If it's bad memory, that would be unfortunate, as I ordered it from Matrox... (mmm... I think I did...). Why does the card run faster without it? Thanks for the input!

          And thanks, in general, folks!

          - Excalibur

          [This message has been edited by Excalibur (edited 09-18-1999).]
          PIII-866MHz @ 866MHz, ASUS CUSL2 MoBo (v1002a BIOS), 256MB (Mushkin)PC133 CAS2 RAM, MGA G400 MAX AGP 32MB; not overclocked; PD 6.14 / BIOS v1.6 - 25, SBLive! 5.1, Windows 98SE, DX7.0a and lots of other goodies that would just be showing off to list.

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          • #6
            sounds like a lot of irq sharing is probably going on in that case or the memory module, yeah definately the memory module, maybe
            jim

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            • #7
              You mean theres something wrong with his screen?Mine has looked like that for years

              Actually though I'd lean towards bad memory,or corrupted drivers.Perhaps,as suggested,remove extra memory,unistall all drivers (video that is!)and reinstall latest drivers.See if that works.Get back and we'll try other approaches,if the others fail.

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              • #8
                DuRaNgO --

                Yeah, I have a pretty full load, insofar as boards go, but believe it or not, no IRQs are shared (though if I add ONE more thing, something's gonna have to share!). And to think - I pulled my Roland SCC-1 when I built up this machine and I've been needing to add a NIC. Sheesh!

                But it's sounding like it's probably the memory module, and I'll have the bravery/stamina to yank it tomorrow. Today has been too durn long. Thanks for your input!

                Alfie --

                Nah, nothin' wrong with the screen. I was just bragging.

                Seriously, though, I'll definitely let everyone know what I find out after I do The Experiment (tm) sometime tomorrow (hopefully). The pain of it is waiting for it to "break", because sometimes (as I mentioned) it doesn't manifest for hours, and suddenly - just when I think that the problem is gone - someone comes along with a spray can of PixelSmear! and *poof*... el problemo. *sigh*

                I love computers.

                - Excalibur
                PIII-866MHz @ 866MHz, ASUS CUSL2 MoBo (v1002a BIOS), 256MB (Mushkin)PC133 CAS2 RAM, MGA G400 MAX AGP 32MB; not overclocked; PD 6.14 / BIOS v1.6 - 25, SBLive! 5.1, Windows 98SE, DX7.0a and lots of other goodies that would just be showing off to list.

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                • #9
                  My screen looks like that when I over-overclock or overheat my G200.

                  Bill
                  People call me a computer god; I remind them that I am merely a minor deity...

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                  • #10
                    billko --

                    Yeah, so I guess the concensus so far is either bad memory module (it's a genuine Matrox module purchased from CDW - I looked that one up ), or overheating. I would believe the overheating in a second if I could detect some actual high heat in the case or the board, but I just don't.

                    Of course, that may not mean anything, but what the heck. Also, why would non-certified drivers bring this behaviour out in my board, but not the certified ones? Do the non-certified drivers have the 'WorkForRealThisTime="1"' flag set in the registry and the certifieds don't?

                    Anyone get that?

                    - Excalibur
                    PIII-866MHz @ 866MHz, ASUS CUSL2 MoBo (v1002a BIOS), 256MB (Mushkin)PC133 CAS2 RAM, MGA G400 MAX AGP 32MB; not overclocked; PD 6.14 / BIOS v1.6 - 25, SBLive! 5.1, Windows 98SE, DX7.0a and lots of other goodies that would just be showing off to list.

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                    • #11
                      Certified drivers are certified because they meet all MS specs, and are stable. That stability is at a cost. Speed. Certified drivers are not going to be as aggressive on the memory as the ones tweaked for speed.
                      Core2 Duo E7500 2.93, Asus P5Q Pro Turbo, 4gig 1066 DDR2, 1gig Asus ENGTS250, SB X-Fi Gamer ,WD Caviar Black 1tb, Plextor PX-880SA, Dual Samsung 2494s

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                      • #12
                        Kruzin --

                        I figured it must be something like that...

                        Back to your earlier comment, why would running with 8 vs. 16MB make the card faster?

                        - Excalibur
                        PIII-866MHz @ 866MHz, ASUS CUSL2 MoBo (v1002a BIOS), 256MB (Mushkin)PC133 CAS2 RAM, MGA G400 MAX AGP 32MB; not overclocked; PD 6.14 / BIOS v1.6 - 25, SBLive! 5.1, Windows 98SE, DX7.0a and lots of other goodies that would just be showing off to list.

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                        • #13
                          Running with the 16 meg on instead of the 8 slows the memory timings down a bit, which under a lot of circumstances slow the rendering performance of the card.

                          Rags



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                          • #14
                            I had the same problem. The newer drivers seem access the memory faster. Try removing the 8 meg upgrade and the problem should go away. If so you can use one of the overclocking utilities to slow the clock down until the problem doesn't occur. There is also a test utility for the video memory. If you need it I can email it to you.
                            Mine: Epox EP-8KTA3, Matrox G400 32mb DH + RRG, Athlon 1.2/266, 256mb, WD 30gb ATA100, Pio 32x CDROM, Adaptec 2940U2W, WD 18.3GB 10k U2W, Yamaha CDRW4416, Pio DVD-303, Scsi Zip 100, Seagate 10/20 Gb tape, SBlive platinum, Linksys 10/100 nic, HP 712c printer, HP 6200 scanner, Linksys 4port cable router, Linksys 2port print server/switch
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                            • #15
                              Rags --

                              Man, if I'd known/realized that months ago, I would've saved myself the $45 for the upgrade.

                              mynx --

                              Are you suggesting taking the memory out, checking it and if that fixes it, putting the memory back on then underclocking it?

                              Also, what are the overclocking and memory test apps called (so I can do some searches)?

                              Thanks!

                              - Excalibur
                              PIII-866MHz @ 866MHz, ASUS CUSL2 MoBo (v1002a BIOS), 256MB (Mushkin)PC133 CAS2 RAM, MGA G400 MAX AGP 32MB; not overclocked; PD 6.14 / BIOS v1.6 - 25, SBLive! 5.1, Windows 98SE, DX7.0a and lots of other goodies that would just be showing off to list.

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