More TurboGL stuffand an Ant Rant =)

[Buuri]

You obviously fail to see that P3 and Athlon were chosen for their SIMD capabilities. They support SSE and extended 3DNow! while classic 3DNow! was left unsupported.
When you see that, you might think that it's weird choise because people using older AMD products are not getting anything while there really is no reason they shouldn't. From your ignorant comments as well as the other people who defend Matrox's choise, I can guess that you do not own such a CPU yourself. However I dare to say that K6-3 would outperform P3 with equal clock if both's extensions are properly applied. Therefore ruling out classic 3DNow! set is not good service for custumers like me at all.

Just how many more K6-2/3 systems there are than Athlons? Matrox is just crying for new customers while G400 doesn't even match Athlons power anyway.
Old customers are left behind.

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[merchant2112]

hey where is the support for my experimental 486 at 66 mhz with special instructions for sound and video. i know they only made like 20 of them and they are long outdated but hey i want a turbo gl driver. how come only the curent TOP OF THE LINE CPUS THAT THE GAME DEVELOPERS ARE CODEING FOR NOW have the turbo gl driver matrox is for fu*/ing us over again
i want to keep useing my over clocked 300a from now untill dooms day. we got to stop intel amd via ali and other companys from improveing tech forceing me to buy new stuff when my old (bought last year now outdated becuase of inprovements) hard ware.

ok seriusly if you just bought an 500a or what ever cpu and mobo and you didn't bother to find out about p3 sse or enhanced 3dnow cpus. and now now find yourself leaft out with out dated hardware. don't blame matrox or other companys. you couldn't wait for p3 peices to drop suck it up live with your mistake. and shut up sooner or latter you will be included. p3 450s are almost dirt cheap ive seen them listed for 188.00 usd on pricewatch. be a real gamer and up grade the slowest oldest hard ware in your system every 3 to 6 months. hell every year a rebuild from the ground up recaping some costs by selling old hard ware to friends who can't aford the latest tech crap. wha't your not made of money or your 16 and working part time. go find a rich freind who is into computers and see what he has lieing around roting on a shelf. hell he /she will probibly give the stuff to you becuase he/she feels sorry for you.


oh no one to beg hard ware from. christmass is just around the conner beg mon and dad to drop 300.00 on a cpu and mobo. or start saveing money instead of eatingf at mcdonalds every day. (my sister and her husban are always complaneing they don't have the cash to get new hardware yet they seem to find the money to go out to the movies every week and eat out 3 timmes a week, and blow cash on collectors crap oh ya franklin mint. its an inveastment they say. ya right in about 300 years that crap willbe worth 200 times what they paid for it (if you can find someone stupid enough to buy it.)
flame on

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rags, UPS ground sucks too. (i know i used to work for the slave driveing bastards.


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[Speedy]

Merchant: Why?
IS matrox card High end or Low end?

HIGH END!

ex: IF I buy a high end Audio CD player, and I have crappy ampflier and crappy speakers, DO i get anything out of 5000 CD player? noooo

same thing with matrox, U want Matrox And U have Celery, and U want have same results of your low End System with High End Graphic Card, grrr, i confuse my self!

OK
U cannot Get your self a HighEnd Gaming system, with Only High End Video Card, sorry...

[rickn]

speedy: high end videocards cost a lot more than $165

[Speedy]

I ment high end Gaming VideoCard, not professional )) (btw how good is the oxygen for gaming?)

[rickn]

Well, a celeron running at 550mhz is not some slow piece of antiquated machinery. It will run circles around a p3 at 450 in a lot of things

[merchant2112]

ah speedy i know that the whole post is targeted at the winers who are really begining to bug me. ya i don't have a p3 yet.

i intend to buy one soon i almost picked one up yesterday along with a abit be6 but i just read that abit is getting readdy to release a nother new mobo ata66 with fsb settings from 66 to 200 in 1mhz jumps. 6pci slots 1 isa and 1 agp. (intel bx board)i was looking for reviews and found a review of an advanced pe release board (no ata66 yet but spaces for it on the borad) it may be bogus but hey i can wait another few weeks. its not critical yet to upgrade just real dam tempting. i still might do it as even with haveing a p3 in a be6 lieing around wont go to waist as i have a 300a that will do 450 on a shelf roting cuase i picked up a p2 350 that will do 464 np. (useing that now)

and if a celeron running at 550 blows a p3 450 clocked to 550 away why the hell is every one bitching that matrox has left them out of the loop buy only doing the tubo gl driver for the k7 and p3 your 550 celeron should be just as fast with out sse or enhanced 3dnow right. ?
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[Buuri]

ok seriusly if you just bought an 500a or what ever cpu and mobo and you didn't bother to find out about p3 sse or enhanced 3dnow cpus. and now now find yourself leaft out with out dated hardware. don't blame matrox or other companys.

Ok, so please tell me what CPUs will next Matrox product support the best so I make sure I then have one.

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[merchant2112]

well let me think about that... what ever the next generation "High End" cpu's that the developers are curently useing to code new software on. curently i would expect
that to be amd's k7 and intel's p3. why would you start codeing New drivers (first) for dated hardware when you already have working drivers for that dated hard ware. if devlopers and manufactures always worte for older stuff first why would anyone buy the latest stuff as soon as it was released if no one coded for it. or even better if manufactors neglected the latest hardware would thire be a reason to even try and improve the crap we are useing now.

the above remarks also applys to software games/apps. lets not support sse and 3dnow becuase you have a cpu that dont have it.
note i am still useing an overclocked p 2 350
i don't have the latest crap im not bitching that matrox is going to release a turbo driver for the p3/k7 becuase i realize im not running the lastest thing and they have to start somewhere why start at the bottom of the hardware chain when they can start at the top. what would you do if matrox only released drivers for the mystake and did nothing for the g400/g200 for 6 months "bitch about it thats what" oh wait all the winers did that. now matrox is going way out of its way and still the winers are bitching.

notice i did not name names so if you take offence you must be a what ????? fill in the blank


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[Buuri]

Oh you believe they will support other than 64bit CPUs then..

I'm not mad because old CPUs are supported, I'm furious that one extension set of three was left out even though the other supported one is allmost the same.

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[merchant2112]

yes most certinly i exspect them to support other cpu's. they would really have to be insane not to. we probibly won't be as much improvement as with sse or e 3dnow cpus. but if thire was why would intel and amd gothrugh the bother of developing ss3/3dnow in the first place. personaly im trying to hold out for the new 100 fsb celerys with sse. but i dont think im going to make it as intel keeps droping the price on p3's as they get faster.

my original plan was to hold out for coper mine or second gen k7 but the 820 chipset seems to be a bust. and i don't think the greedy memory chip venders are going to sart droping prices again any time soon. 6 months at least. before that happens and it may even get higher as the "quake damage reports get biger and biger" remember when pres carter predicted a gas shortage and lo and behold over night opec made dam sure it happened. (rasieing gas prices)they are going to milk every thing they can out of this.

theres not much difrence between a k7 and a k6 cpu? or a p2/66 mhz celery over a 100mhz p3

i would have to think that those drivers have to be for more than sse e3dnow like takeing advantage of newer piplines and wider system busses. other wise it would be just another icd.

oh how many other people out thire knew that the latest mars probe was going to fail be fore it did. ?

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[Randy Simons]

You "don't rant" guys seem to forget that not everybody has money to by the superduper fancy shining new G400-based card. If I had the money, I had a G400 running on an athlon system and indeed would have nothing to complain about.

However, as a student I don't have the bucks. I bought a K6-2 and a G200 over a year ago. And I still feel left in the dusty coldness of the desert. Matrox DOES forget G200 users. Seems like G400 users get descent drivers for their card before G200 (who have been there in that dusty coldness for more than a year) still have not the drivers they should have got in the box when they bought the G200 card.

I hope you can imagine I'm still NOT happy with Matrox? Oh yes, perhaps they start listening to their consumers, but only the current G400 users seem to benefit from that, over the backs of the G200 users.

Com'on matrox, make me happy with a TurboGL driver which works on a G200 with K6-2 on the 8th of october. Can't be that hard to adapt those drivers from G400 to G200 an 3DNow v2 to 3DNow v1...

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Digital Dreams Software
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[Speedy]

Merchant: there is a big difference between K6 and K7, you can FEEL the speed, friend of mine got K6-3 500, my HL gets into a multiplayer game a lot of faster, and he even has some " couldn't not connect reason "initilaizing and downlading" while his Antivirus is turned off, and I play with antivirus, ICQ, Seti, EGN, PC medic, and a whole bunch of other stuff, and I never got that problem yet, i need about 10 secinds to get into the game, (our connections, and modems are the same)
so... there is a difference

[Himself]

What I understand is that people with fast and expensive cpus don't have any tolerance for people who don't.

As far as I am concerned Matrox can do what it likes, as long as they do what they say they are going to do. If they don't offer me anything I want personally I will buy elsewhere next time. Everybody's happy. It would be kind of stupid for Matrox to only provide faster minigl for PIII cpus though, not a lot of people own them, and those that do don't need the speed increase. That's why I don't think that will be the case, Matrox doesn't strike me as being that stupid.

[RichieJarvis]

My god, isn't there alot of whinging going on? I personally have a K6-2/400 and a G400, and I am quite happy with the 30fps that Quake2 runs at on this system. As long as the frame rate is constant (which is it) who cares? The only reason I brought a G400 is for future upgradablity, so that when I do get an Athlon, or Intel's latest offering in a couple of years time my graphics card will still be good enough to perform. Oh, and Dual Head for DVD's! If TurboGL comes out on lower end CPU's then great, otherwise, who cares, it performs well enough now with the ICD!

Cheers,

Richie