More TurboGL stuffand an Ant Rant =)

[IceStorm]

While they still have them, get a fast gaming card for that older CPU at:
http://www.soundblaster.com/specials/voodoo2/

Hey, it costs almost as much as an m3D, but actually DOES something. And it goes very well with the G200. $20 for the 8MB, $30 for the 12 (get the 12, or two of them - SLI's cool).

And for all those who got burned on the G200, I feel your pain. A month after I got it, I bought a V2 12MB for $150 from Best Data. Only way I could play games...

Just my $0.02


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Primary System: PIII-540 (450@4.5x120), Soyo 6BA+ III, 256MB PC100 ECC SDRAM, G400 MAX in multi-monitor mode. V2 SLI rig. Two Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900u monitors, 3Com 3C905, SoundBlaster Live!, Altec Lansing AC5 spkrs, 2nd Parallel Port, WD AC41800 18GB HD, WD AC310100 10GB HD, Toshiba SD-M1212 6x DVD-ROM, HP 8100i CD-RW, Epson Stylus Pro, Sharp JX-9400 LJ-II compatible, OptiUPS PowerES 650, MS SideWinder Precision Pro USB joystick, Logitech 3-button mouse, Mitsumi keyboard, Win98 SE, Belkin OmniCube 4-port KVM

Secondary System: PII-266, Asus P2B BIOS 1008, 128MB PC100 ECC SDRAM, Millennium II, 3Com 3C590, ADSL Modem 640kbit down/90kbit up, 3Com 3C509, Mylex BT-930 SCSI card, Seagate 2GB Hawk, NEC 6x CD-ROM, Linux distro S.u.S.E. 6.1 (IP Masquerade works!)

Tertiary System: DFI G568IPC Intel 430HX chipset, P200MMX, 96MB of non-parity RAM, Millennium II, Intel Pro/100+ client NIC, SoundBlaster 16 MCD, Fujitsu 3.5GB HD, WD 1.2GB HD, Creative Dxr3 DVD decoder card, Hitachi GD-2500 6x DVD-ROM, Win98 SE

All specs subject to change.

[Randy Simons]

Ok, so you're happy with your new G400. Fine. Now imagine you didn't had a OpenGL ICD or even MCD at all for your card, and a year from now you STILL you don't have something that's up to the competition. Meanwhile, the same competition moved forward to, and by the time you eventually get good software your hardware would be outdated. That would suck, won't it?

Guess what, that's the same situation that has been going on with the G200 from the beginning on.

So, stop whining about us whining ok? I guess there's a good reason for that; not everybody has a Athlon+g400 and Matrox seems to forgot about that.

[Rags]

Alright everyone here who is bitching about the K62/3 support vs the K7:
There are a lot more enhancements made to the K7 core than just extra 3DNOW! instructions, there are tons of them. I don't believe that the TurboGL is relying completely on 3DNOW! for it's improvements for the K7, it has so many other options for optimization. So quit acting like if the K7 has support that the K6 should be just as easy to enhance, because anyone coding for a K7 can tell you, they are two very different chips.

Rags

[Speedy]

couple of things
I bought Athlon a week after it came out because i wa planning to buy a computer for 2 months, than i could buy any K6, Celery or P3, or Athlon, Why I got ahlon cause it is better than p3, why didn't i get celery? cause I know that I will not overclock, otherwise, it is pretty not good!
I almost got some Aptiva K6-2 475 mhz )
so SHUT UP
2 weeks ago I had P 200mhz, 32mb, Millenium II, and m3d, U happy???

[Himself]

Rags,

You have a point, in fact the enhanced 3D-Now! instructions in the Athlon almost make it a clone of a PIII anyway, supporting both should be no real headache. But, a minigl in itself sans SIMD should be a speed boost, so I don't think Matrox will wait very long before getting other versions out.

[Jihad]

Hello

I really didnt care if Matrox supported my Celeron 366, but as I see these a**holes yell and rant about how no one who has a processor lower than a P3/Althon should have an opinion I am getting kinda hot under the collar. You guys have no right to tell us not to expect better performance from a card that CAN do better and has been proven that it can do better with only better DRIVERS. So I am happy about TurboGl but it is a quick fix for people with high end CPUS, but the card itself is still limited by bad drivers and matrox should have to face the music for that. Oh yea I have a C366->550 I have NO plans to "upgrade" to a P3 or Athlon because the Althon is unproven and P3 is a waste of money. So everyone who cant stand people complaining about hardware they paid for (as much as you guys did) then pull up anchor and sail for clamer and more P3/Athlon friendly waters.

Just my correct opinion

[Kruzin]

Let me make a little point here.
I posted Ant's Rant because I agree with it.
You "support my celeron" complainers all seem to think that because I am sick of listening to all of your bellyaching, it must be because I have a chip that will be supported by this TurboICD.

Guess what. I don't.
I still run a P2. Would I like a P2 version? Yes. Of course. That changes nothing, though. I'm still tired of all the whining.

It's great that Matrox is doing all they can with the current technology available. If the fact that technology advances, and always leaves old technology behind (always has, always will), then take up knitting. You can still knit with the same needles used 100 years ago. The computer industry is not going to stand still for you, me, or anyone else. Deal with it.

[Mark F]

Here, Here.
You go, Kruzin!!!

Information...
Information please...
What is your number?...

Mark F.

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OH NO, my retractable cup holder swallowed a CD

[g13]

At least they are doing something...

Many people seem to forget that they are still working on the gl icd which won't leave the celeron users and k62/3 users in the cold. However, given their track record (read G200 experience) just how long will you have to wait?

Unless this icd is released on a timely fashion (which I think is by Christmas or before the next generation of cards hits) on the surface it seems that Matrox is ignoring the k62/3, celeron, and pII users. It looks like they are forgoeing the currently larger market for the potential of the growth market. I don't know if this is true or not, maybe they have 3dnow optimizations or MMX ops in the plans who knows?

If it is their strategy to only optimize k7s and p3s, I think it's a bad idea from a business standpoint. With the next generation so close you would think they would do their best to attract buyers now and cash in on the largest market which doesn't have p3s and k7s, at least they would want to retain these customers. How many jumped ship because of their G200 experiences?

I do not make any judgements on your machines based on your comments but for those of you with k7 and p3 machines, please give the rest of us a break for expressing our concerns, this is a forum after all. For those with other systems, Matrox deserves some credit for updating, let's hope we are next in line. Anyway, at least they are doing something.

[This message has been edited by g13 (edited 09-24-1999).]

[Cmag]

Well, as I see it (as if anyone really cares), Matrox is finally starting to get it together. Since this thread is about TurboGl, i'll just stick to that right now. First off, I do not have a PIII or a Athlon. I have a AMD K6-400 o/c to 450. Am I happy or mad that Matrox doesn't support my processor yet? Actually i'm quite indifferent. What i see as a real piece of progress here, is that Matrox is actually doing something! And quite a bit of late. The only thing that doesn't quite make much sense to me is that the first version of TurboGL will only be for the fastest and the best cpu's. When you really think about it, wouldn't it make more sense to increase performance for those who don't have the fastest hardware first? Please don't misunderstand me, like I said, it really doesn't matter that much to me, I'm just a little confused here. If I already have the fastest computer available, I don't think the performance increase would mean as much to me. I mean, I would already have the fastest machine right?

Just Yappin

Cmag

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[This message has been edited by Cmag (edited 09-25-1999).]

[DuRaNgO]

AND I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT MY P-III WILL BE HERE SOON!!!
JIM

[Joel]

Who is suppose to be bringing the cheese to this whine party?

Joel

Someone with a K6-2 who is quite happy with his G400 but who will soon be upgrading to an Athlon system, after saving a few more bucks, because I don't want to see Intel with a monopoly.

[Filmgeek]

Oh, that's so funny! Cheese and whine!
Teehee! That's only like what, the 50th time that lameass joke has been repeated?

What makes people think that when they're whining about people whining they're any less annoying than those they are complaining about?

Oh, and about Matrox being strictly high end, I really have to disagree with that one. If we are talking about the MGA division, not the Video Group. I don't see how anyone can call Matrox video cards "high end" when NT and soon to be Win2K support is just an afterthought. Their hardware is high end, in the sense that it's expensive, not widely available, and usually built with a fair amount of quality (although there are definite exceptions to that last one).

Filmgeek

[This message has been edited by Filmgeek (edited 09-25-1999).]

[dnickle]

Matrox is a company. Companies exist to make $$$$.Matrox makes their TurboGL for P3/Athlon owners FIRST. P3/Athlon owners have more money in general than Celeron/K6-2/K6-3 owners, that's why they have them in the FIRST place! 90% of people that buy budget cpu's, don't overclock them. These 90% buy Aptiva and Compaq systems, (ie.bargain basement) and never even open the case. They just go buy another Aptiva in 3 years. Am I making any sense here? Most people with Celerons and K6's don't know or care what a G400 is, that's why they're aiming at high-end cpu owners. Okay, enough of biz-ed 101.

[dnickle]

BTW, I have a Celeron, a Pmmx233, and a K-6 233.