More TurboGL stuffand an Ant Rant =)

[Himself]

Another freaking expert, save me.

[Mark F]

While I think 'dnickle' makes some valid points (if you want to know why, follow
the money), let me give you something else to chew on. If you were doing this type
of optimizing, wouldn't you want it to generate the best possible press. Well which
processors are going to give the greatest increase in benchmarks. Could it be the
ones with the greatest SIMD optimizations? Well right now that would be the PIII
and Athlon.
These processors will show the greatest increases in benchmark. The press
print, online, etc., will disseminate these great results. Matrox gets good press. The
kind that would not be achieved with the results from 'lesser' processors. From
good results achieved with high end processors, to great results. Makes for good
reviews, wets peoples appetite for Matrox products, specifically G400. This can
lead to greater success with OEM's, and what are they likely to pair it up with?
'Older' processors or shinny new PIIIs and Athlons. That's were the money is!

Mark F.


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OH NO, my retractable cup holder swallowed a CD

[KvHagedorn]

Oh, get over it. It will probably support K6s with 3dnow too, and celerons just dont have any special features like the others to take special advantage of. That's why you spend a bit more for a P3 in the first place. Look at it this way.. gives you another reason to go for an upgrade..

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Kind Regards,

KvH

[Rags]

Kv
I have to disagree with you on the celeron not having anything to optimize for. The celeron uses the same core as the P2, so it benefits from the P6 core optimizations, and there are a bunch, especially in FPU operations and other things such as write combining. The K62/3 had to add 3DNow! to give the K6 core a chance at actually matching the P6 core's capabilities. I hope that with the TurboGL, the greatest benefit will be the other team's more focus on a complete OpenGL ICD for all apps, and optimizations. This should relieve some pressure off of them.

Rags



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FedEx Sucks!

[Star F.]

Matrox had better care for their real problems than make this turbo thing for high-end machines that will only be wasted on foolish quakin'. Call that progress, I call it stupidity. (Two that go together well: stupidity and violence, be the latter only virtual.)

And I will not stop my whining until I've got the G400 running reliably or returned it for a TNT2. Which will be on Oct 8th, either way.

As for you, my dear Antman: I used to be the coach of Michael Jackson and there was nothing quite like riding around Harlem in the back of his RR at 5 AM. Still, I have never stated, in private or in public, that I like his nose.

[KvHagedorn]

To think that "foolish Quakin" has actually been one of the driving forces in the computer industry's advancements, and hence a driving force for the economy as a whole.. remarkable, the power of fantasy

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Kind Regards,

KvH

[Star F.]

Yep, it looks as if this is a driving force. Though it seems to be a driving force for commerce rather than for technological progress. That 'Turbo' is meant to provide OGL for consumers, not for professionals (who wouldn't touch a G400 anyway).

[merchant2112]

once again i dont own a p3 or k7.

i agree the curent celery core's are p2 core's, (not p3 core) so a driver writen for a p3 should NOT work on curent cellery's.

speedy the no diffrence between cpu remark was a condensending question. in responce to someone elses remark that the turbo driver should support kmd k6-2 3dnow instruction set becuase thire was not much difrence between enhanced 3d now and regular 3dnow instuctions.

so i possed the question what no difrence between k7 and k6-2 or p3 and p2/celreon ? i just forgot to address it to the correct party and make refrence to the line.

i would love to own a k7 or p3 (k7 over p3 any day of the week)only the dam k7 main boards are to new. i want a proven agp 4x board with new features. but the quake thing and memory prices are screwing with my plans for doing it reasonably cheap.

hopefully by november (my birthday) prices will be back to normal (i really dout it.) in witch case i will pick up a p3 450 or 500 and over clock the thing

curent running systems
p2 350 at 464
amd k6 200 at 233
amd k6-2 at 350

shelfed cpus
celery 300a at 450

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rags, UPS ground sucks too. (i know i used to work for the slave driveing bastards.
wow what's wrong with me today usally i just sit here read the posts anmd mumble to my self it must be that mars probe failing bulshit that nasa is trying to pull again that's got me all worked up.

[Himself]

Merchant2112 wrote,
speedy the no diffrence between cpu remark was a condensending question. in responce to someone elses remark that the turbo driver should support kmd k6-2 3dnow instruction set becuase thire was not much difrence between enhanced 3d now and regular 3dnow instuctions.

Actually, the enhanced bit means clone all the bits from SSE that don't already exist but just don't use the same opcodes basically. So, yeah, there is a difference, especially since there isn't the context switch to have to deal with. Althons also don't have to deal with SS7 issues and slower transfers across the bus, a version for a K6-2/3 will not really have much room for common code with the Athlon version. It will, in fact, probably be easier for the PIII version to be reduced to work with PII cpus.

[Holerith]

Gee, I wonder when the drivers are coming out for the 750 MHz Alpha ? <tongue firmly in cheek>

Now thats a system I could really go for - dual Alpha 750's



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Dean
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[red2]

The drivers are already out for the Alpha, you just need to run 64 bit Linux. Alpha prices are coming down and they are starting to use AGP. I am thinking that will be my next upgrade. A current Alpha will trounce any Intel chip of this generation and next, and possibly even the following one there after. Once Linux gains enough popularity for games, I will be ditching windows I think, especially if I do get the Alpha.