Why is my G400 Vanilla sooo slow!

[skeoch]

gurm how do i remove irq holders?

[Gurm]

I'm pretty sure you can just select and remove them like any other device. If not, they OUGHT to go away when you remove the device they're tied to. If all else fails, reboot in safe mode and remove them.

- Gurm

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[AlteX]

a suggestion : try closing PDesk. Click Alt-Ctrl-Del to run the task manager and close it. I've had my G400 for 3 days, and also had a slowdown problem, PDesk in the background created these very short hangs of the CPU, which caused EVERYTHING to work slow, it's not very noticable in 2D apps, but very noticable in 3D. It also prevented the G400 TechDemo from installing correctly. Closing PDESK solved the problem. I think PDESK conflicts with something, but I'm not sure what or when (not always!), I have several suspects, still investigating it... will post my conclusions when I have any definite ones...

My System:
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Abit BH6
P2-350 @ 100x4.5
128MB PC100 SDRAM
SbLive! Value
G400 32MB DualHead Vanilla OEM (126/168)
SCSI Card, NIC,
TV Card (FlyVideo'98) shares IRQ with G400

AGP Aperture = 128MB
OS = Windows 98 Hebrew Enabled (not SE)
The drivers are 5.30
DirectX 7.0 final
SBLive Drivers are Live!Ware v2.1

At 1024x768x32bit, 32bit Z, Triple Buffer, VSynch Off, I get
3500-3600 3D Marks
4200-4300 3D CPUMarks

Of course you should get much more with your P3-500.

When the problem existed, I tested at 1024x768x16bit, 32bit Z and got only 3200 3D Marks and 3600 3D CPUMarks.

Anyway, good luck... I'm still investigating.


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... There's No Spoon!

[Scytale]

These look fine. If you don't have a (display) driver conflict it's beyond me. My only suggestion at this time is to try uninstalling and reinstalling drivers.

Would you please post your 3DMark details (using File->Export from the result browser)? 41 fps for the race is not excellent, but it's not very bad either, so I wonder about the cause of your overall score of 2400. You wouldn't be confusing your rasterizer score with 3DMark score, would you?

[skeoch]

Ok I will do a complete test, and post it. but Im not confusing it because it has that window "your 3dmark is ****"

[skeoch]

Thanx AlteX,
I will try that.
By the way I really fancy getting the RR-G,
do you think Im just asking for a whole load more problems?

[GypsyCurse]

Hello again...sorry no joy

Right Ive run a test
agp aperture 256
v sync off
agp x2 forced
running in single head mode
no multiple reg entries, in display
Only running explorer and systray
no irq conflicting as far as i can see

the results:3DMark Project:
3DMark Build Version: 100
Date: 10/21/99
Time: 7:48:28 PM
Project Name:My Project
Comments:

Project Settings (Template):
Rendering Platform: Internal (Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English)
Resolution: 1024*768
Color Depth: 32-bit Color
Z-Buffer: 16-bit
Frame Buffer: Double buffering
Refresh Rate: Hardware Default
Looping: Disabled
Texture Format: 32-bit, 8888 RGBA
Run Tests: Once
Title Screen: Shown

Test Results:
3DMark Result : 2,483 3DMarks
CPU Geometry Speed : 6,731 3DCPUMarks
Rasterizer Score : 1,806 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race: 43.0 FPS
Game 2 - First Person: 39.7 FPS
Fill Rate : 175.3 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing : 191.2 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed: 221.0 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed: 156.7 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 133.5 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 47.8 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 35.7 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed: 117.6 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 100.0 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 73.0 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed: Not Supported
6 Pixel/individual: 1,858.6 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips: 3,341.3 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual: 1,539.6 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips: 1,604.1 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual: 992.7 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips: 1,045.5 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual: 368.6 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips: 395.0 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual: 125.1 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips: 133.2 KPolygons/s

System:
Windows Version: Windows 4 A , Build 2222
DirectX Version: 4.07.00.0700
Bios Version: Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
Bios Date: 07/31/98
Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
Free Physical Memory: 50 MB

Processor:
Processor Type: Unknown
Processor Speed: 500 MHz
Processor Caps: MMX KATMAI
L1 Cache Size: 32 KB
L2 Cache Size: 512 KB

Desktop:
2D Display Adapter Name: Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English
2D Display Adapter Driver Date: 10- 6-1999
Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Driver Date: 4-23-1999
Desktop Resolution: 1024*768
Desktop Color Depth: 32-Bit Color

3D Accelerator:
Name: Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English
Driver Name: G400DD32.DLL
Driver Version: 4.11.01.1300
Total Video Memory On Card: 16,313 KB
Total Texture Memory: 119,737 KB
Bus: AGP

[Rags]

GypsyCurse:

I am not so sure that your low score is a result of the G400, your CPU marks seem rather low for the processor you have....So, maybe this is not a video related problem.


Rags

[GypsyCurse]

what should it be?approx

[GypsyCurse]

do you think it could all be due to a shit qdi bx brilliant (should that read shit) motherboard

[Scytale]

You need to get a newer build of 3DMark99 (build 200). Have a look at your processor info. This is what you should get:

Processor:
Processor Type: Intel Pentium III
Processor Speed: 500 MHz
Processor Caps: MMX SSE
L1 Cache Size: 32 KB
L2 Cache Size: 512 KB

and this is what you get:

Processor:
Processor Type: Unknown
Processor Speed: 500 MHz
Processor Caps: MMX KATMAI
L1 Cache Size: 32 KB
L2 Cache Size: 512 KB

Ergo, Pentium III optimizations are not enabled. This is the explanation for your low scores.

[ALBPM]

Your right Scytale, he is using an older version that doesn't support P3 optimizations. I thought his results looked different

Paul

[GypsyCurse]

I'm downloading the latest version and if thats the answer I'm going to kick the shit out of myself!!!!!

By the way I owe you guys big time, thanks for putting up with me!

[DuRaNgO]

Good luck!
don't forget to come back for some tweakin' tips
jim

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PIII-500mhz @ 620! with an Abit BE6 mobo
128mb pc-100
Mill G400(YAHOO!!!) 32mb @ 165/205 with MGATweak), PD 5.30 & bios 1.5-22
Maxtor 14.3 gb Uata66 hdd
SB Live!
Winblows 98se & DX7
32 lbs. of fans, heatsinks and aluminum ductwork
3DMark Result 5954.69 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed 9325.69 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score 2791.72 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race 65.07 FPS
Game 2 - First Person 54.89 FPS
Fill Rate 268.79 MTexels/s

[NoClue]

prepare yourself for shitkicking

the build100 version IS the reason why you get these low scores!
On my old system (P2-400, G200), my 3DMarks with build100 were around 1700. The same system with 3DMark MAX (build200) gave me a result of around 2600 3DMarks!

So I'm sure getting the latest version of the benchmark software will solve this "low-score" prowblem for you