Overclocking a Vanilla G400

[Maggi]

Hi rubank !!!

Long time no see ... how come ?



Anyway, I had higher scores with PD5.25, don't know what's up with this one, but I guess it is mainly funded in this use of DX7 with non-DX7-optimized ...
I guess they'll be up again with the next build of PD, not sure though.


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Cheers,
Maggi
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Working Rig:
Asus P2B-DS @ 103MHz FSB
Double Pentium III-450 @ 464 MHz
4 x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
Matrox Millennium G400 32MB DualHead
Nokia 445Xi (21")
Nokia 447Xpro (17")

Home Rig:
Asus P2B-S Bios 1010 @ 100MHz FSB
Celeron 333A @ 500MHz
2 x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
Matrox Millennium G400 32MB DualHead @ 150/200MHz
CTX VL710T (17")

[Smiff]

Neil: I'd love to know about the long term effects of higher then spec clock rates too! Anyone?

Rock: The difference between stock speed and o/c speed is, for me, the difference between jerky and smooth graphics. I don't benchmark I'm just pretty good at guessing the FPS (up to about 40, beyond that I can't see the difference)

If you aren't seeing any difference either
a) you aren't overclocking or
b) you have you eyes closed or
c) the situation (application) is not fill rate limited
d) something else I haven't thought of

Stealth: If the screen is going wild but not locking up its your memory.

[Frank]

I don´t think so, that´s a hell of a fan (12.7x12.7 cm!)

Rubank...err...actually, yeah!
Have one on my PII333@560 with a home installed heatsink (5"x6"x1.75")thats bigger than the fan.
And one blowing air over my AGP/PCI cards.
Its not THAT hard to install.
More power to ya.

[This message has been edited by Frank (edited 29 October 1999).]

[rubank]

5" fan???

I don´t think so, that´s a hell of a fan (12.7x12.7 cm!)

Maggi:

your scores seem a bit weak,
and that single frame buffer?? How come?

[DuRaNgO]

I love my fans
jim

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PIII-500mhz @ 620 ! with an Abit BE6 mobo
128mb pc-100
Mill G400 (YAHOO!!!) 32mb @ 165/205 with MGATweak-410mhz, 2.5, 2), PD 5.30 & bios 1.5-22
Maxtor 14.3 gb Uata66 hdd
SB Live!
Winblows 98se & DX7
32 lbs. of fans, heatsinks and aluminum ductwork
3DMark Result 5954.69 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed 9325.69 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score 2791.72 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race 65.07 FPS
Game 2 - First Person 54.89 FPS
Fill Rate 268.79 MTexels/s

[Motion Stealth]

Here are some scores I collected from that G400 Vanilla

G400@126/168
Project Settings (Template):
Rendering Platform: Internal (Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English)
Resolution: 800*600
Color Depth: 16-bit Color
CPU Optimization: Intel(r) processor
Z-Buffer: 16-bit
Frame Buffer: Triple buffering
Refresh Rate: 74 Hz
Looping: Disabled
Texture Format: 16-bit, 4444 RGBA
Run Tests: Once
Title Screen: Shown

Test Results:
3DMark Result : 2,948 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed : 3,478 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score : 2,079 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race: 29.0 FPS
Game 2 - First Person: 30.0 FPS
Fill Rate : 206.5 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing : 204.4 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed: 282.9 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed: 220.1 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 150.2 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 112.1 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 64.0 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 3-pass: 91.3 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 2-pass: 114.7 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 1-pass: 183.4 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed: 110.9 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 100.0 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 68.7 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed: Not Supported
6 Pixel/individual: 1,202.8 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips: 3,014.9 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual: 1,219.3 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips: 2,019.6 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual: 1,155.4 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips: 1,294.8 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual: 442.3 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips: 496.8 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual: 152.3 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips: 167.2 KPolygons/s


G400@140/186
Project Settings (Template):
Rendering Platform: Internal (Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English)
Resolution: 800*600
Color Depth: 16-bit Color
CPU Optimization: Intel(r) processor
Z-Buffer: 16-bit
Frame Buffer: Triple buffering
Refresh Rate: 74 Hz
Looping: Disabled
Texture Format: 16-bit, 4444 RGBA
Run Tests: Once
Title Screen: Shown

Test Results:
3DMark Result : 2,940 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed : 3,467 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score : 2,288 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race: 28.9 FPS
Game 2 - First Person: 29.9 FPS
Fill Rate : 229.0 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing : 225.8 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed: 310.2 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed: 239.2 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 162.6 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 119.8 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 64.1 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 3-pass: 99.9 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 2-pass: 124.8 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 1-pass: 196.0 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed: 110.6 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 100.0 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 69.0 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed: Not Supported
6 Pixel/individual: 1,201.2 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips: 3,243.4 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual: 1,209.1 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips: 2,246.0 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual: 1,171.9 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips: 1,442.8 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual: 488.1 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips: 552.4 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual: 167.8 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips: 186.6 KPolygons/s


G400@150/200

Project Settings (Template):
Rendering Platform: Internal (Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English)
Resolution: 800*600
Color Depth: 16-bit Color
CPU Optimization: Intel(r) processor
Z-Buffer: 16-bit
Frame Buffer: Triple buffering
Refresh Rate: 74 Hz
Looping: Disabled
Texture Format: 16-bit, 4444 RGBA
Run Tests: Once
Title Screen: Shown

Test Results:
3DMark Result : 2,934 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed : 3,477 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score : 2,435 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race: 28.8 FPS
Game 2 - First Person: 29.9 FPS
Fill Rate : 244.8 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing : 240.8 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed: 326.7 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed: 251.9 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 171.2 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 125.1 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 66.8 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 3-pass: 104.7 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 2-pass: 130.1 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 1-pass: 201.6 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed: 110.8 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 100.0 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 69.3 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed: Not Supported
6 Pixel/individual: 1,193.5 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips: 3,231.9 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual: 1,210.1 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips: 2,409.9 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual: 1,173.9 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips: 1,545.6 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual: 520.4 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips: 591.1 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual: 180.0 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips: 199.7 KPolygons/s

[DuRaNgO]

nice fillrate boost
jim

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PIII-500mhz @ 620 ! with an Abit BE6 mobo
128mb pc-100
Mill G400 (YAHOO!!!) 32mb @ 165/205 with MGATweak-410mhz, 2.5, 2), PD 5.30 & bios 1.5-22
Maxtor 14.3 gb Uata66 hdd
SB Live!
Winblows 98se & DX7
32 lbs. of fans, heatsinks and aluminum ductwork
3DMark Result 5954.69 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed 9325.69 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score 2791.72 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race 65.07 FPS
Game 2 - First Person 54.89 FPS
Fill Rate 268.79 MTexels/s

[The Rock]

Smiff:

"Rock: The difference between stock speed and o/c speed is, for me, the difference between jerky and smooth graphics."

Since I got my new P3 450, evvvvverything is smooth. No such thing as jerkiness for me, except when posting messages on the Unreal Tournament forum. Now THAT'S jerkiness.



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The Rock
Home Machine: P3 450 + 128 Meg PC100 RAM + 23G Storage
Work Machine: IBM OS/390 + 10Gigs RAM + 1.5 Terabytes Storage (and no damn AGP slot...what a waste)

[MrBig]

I just received my G400 Max yesterday from Matrox and I am disappointed with its performance when playing online games. I play battlezone and with the 3D on and resolution at 640X480, the lag is terrible. If i turn 3d off, then it's no problem. Unfortunately, this defeats the purpose of upgrading from a millenium II because with the 3d off, i get about the same performance.

I realize now that it's great if you play 3d games alone vs. the computer but not over the internet. I have an ISDN line with a PII 450. I guess it could be the processor and I'll upgrade to the PIII 600 Coppermine when the price becomes reasonable.

For the meantime, I've decided to return the g400 max and buy the g400 vanilla. I see that many of you seem to be able to overclock the vanilla to max specs or very close to max specs. I bought a new g400 vanilla from a computer company selling on eBay. This will save me about $80.

[DuRaNgO]

I've heard that too many fps as well as playing in 32bit can cause problems over the net not just with your end but the other as well, in q2, I've added a line limiting fps to 40 and it works great, ping is always under 140 with a 56k modem
jim

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PIII-500mhz @ 620 ! with an Abit BE6 mobo
128mb pc-100
Mill G400 (YAHOO!!!) 32mb @ 165/205 with MGATweak-410mhz, 2.5, 2), PD 5.30 & bios 1.5-22
Maxtor 14.3 gb Uata66 hdd
SB Live!
Winblows 98se & DX7
32 lbs. of fans, heatsinks and aluminum ductwork
3DMark Result 5954.69 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed 9325.69 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score 2791.72 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race 65.07 FPS
Game 2 - First Person 54.89 FPS
Fill Rate 268.79 MTexels/s

[agallag]

I've been running my retail vanilla at 150/200 since about a week after I got it (mid august I think), with no issues. I never did find it's upper limit, as I'm cpu limited with my P2-350. I had it as high as 310 SysCLK with MGATweak, with no problems whatsoever. I do have a 5ns ram version though, so it is almost a max to begin with...

[Cloudy]

Above 150/200 (I'm using a s7 fan just 4 xtra safety) I get some nice LSD trips in the 3D Mark chase sky.
The G400 doesn't get warm compared with my old ATI Fury. The memory on the other hand is a different story. I think my OC is memory limited.
By the way, I'm using MGA tweak, not the Matrox util.


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Cloudy
Asus P2B-DS, 2 x Celeron 400@75Mhz, 128Mb Ram, Xitel Storm Platinum,
2 x IBM 4.3Gb scsi,IBM 22GB IDE, Pioneer DVD ROM scsi, G400 32MB DH (Oc to 150/200).



[This message has been edited by Cloudy (edited 01 November 1999).]

[Cloudy]

Maggi, you've got your scores pretty hight for a celery 500...
Mine are way lower, how did u do it ?
3DMark Project:
3DMark Build Version: 200
Date: 11/2/99
Time: 12:11:15 AM
Project Name:My Project
Comments:

Project Settings (Template):
Rendering Platform: Internal (Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English)
Resolution: 1024*768
Color Depth: 32-bit Color
CPU Optimization: Intel(r) processor
Z-Buffer: 32-bit
Frame Buffer: Triple buffering
Refresh Rate: 84 Hz
Looping: Disabled
Texture Format: 32-bit, 8888 RGBA
Run Tests: Once
Title Screen: Hidden

Test Results:
3DMark Result : 3,380 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed : 4,078 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score : 1,689 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race: 33.8 FPS
Game 2 - First Person: 33.8 FPS
Fill Rate : 155.5 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing : 182.5 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed: 187.3 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed: 135.2 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 114.4 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 83.9 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 40.9 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 3-pass: 41.6 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 2-pass: 69.4 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 1-pass: 112.8 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed: 115.9 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 100.0 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed: 73.1 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed: Not Supported
6 Pixel/individual: 1,259.9 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips: 3,349.5 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual: 1,143.1 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips: 1,188.7 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual: 744.2 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips: 778.8 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual: 275.0 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips: 294.2 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual: 93.4 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips: 97.9 KPolygons/s

System:
Windows Version: Windows 4 , Build 1998
DirectX Version: 4.06.02.0436
Bios Version: Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
Bios Date: 07/16/99
Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
Free Physical Memory: 46 MB


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Cloudy
Asus P2B-DS, 2 x Celeron 400@75Mhz, 128Mb Ram, Xitel Storm Platinum,
2 x IBM 4.3Gb scsi,IBM 22GB IDE, Pioneer DVD ROM scsi, G400 32MB DH (Oc to 150/200).

[Motion Stealth]

hey cloudy

the reason that you have low fill rates are that you have benchmarked at 1024*768 @ 32 bit. Maggi did at 640*480 @ 16 bit

Cheers,

Motion

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Celeron 366 Mhz
160 MB RAM
G400 MAX DH 32 Meg
Win98SE/Linux/NT4 workstation
SB LIVE (FULL)
13 GB IBM harddrive
4,3 GB Quantum Fireball SE harddrive
Toshiba 36X IDE cdrom
Creative Encore DVD 2x
Teac 6/24x cd-r SCSI-2
NCR810 SCSI-2 card
17" CTX monitor
Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS&TQS
56K modem
Logitech Mouseman +

[ZuniK7]

My scores:

Athlon 600
Asus K7M

G400 @ 150/200

Rendering Platform Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English
Resolution 800*600
Color Depth 16-bit Color
Frame Buffer Triple buffering
Refresh Rate 84 Hz
CPU Optimization AMD 3DNow!(tm)
3DMark Result 6515.03 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed 11677.40 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score 2207.76 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race 74.99 FPS
Game 2 - First Person 57.59 FPS
Fill Rate 211.59 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing 211.47 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed 315.78 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed 253.10 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed 177.28 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed 138.66 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed 74.68 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 3-pass 104.88 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 2-pass 137.77 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 1-pass 251.15 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed 0.00 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed 0.00 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed 0.00 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed 0.00 %
6 Pixel/individual 0.00 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips 0.00 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual 0.00 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips 0.00 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual 0.00 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips 0.00 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual 0.00 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips 0.00 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual 0.00 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips 0.00 KPolygons/s
Processor Type AMD-K7(tm) Processor
Processor Speed 660 MHz
L1 Cache size 128 KB
L2 Cache size 512 KB
Physical Memory 256 MB