Uh oh, same problem again :(

[Madman]

Hi,

Unfortunately, my card is having the same problem again. Within a few minutes of bootup and my screen is corrupted and the system freezes. Seems like my AGP 2x is unstable again. This is with a brand new install of Win98 SE. Any suggestions?

Madman

[kwangwee]

Hi, how do I know my G400 DH is running on AGP 2x or 1x or 4x? anyway this G400 is AGP 2x or 4x?

[Kruzin]

So does the problem go away when you run in 1x? I do not recall all you did to troubleshoot...have you investigated heat? corruption followed by crashes is often a sign of overheating.

kwngwee- look for a thread within the last day with the word pcilist in the title. That will lead you to a util that will give you that info. The card is 2x/4x. It will run in a 2x OR 4x mobo, at 2x AGP transfers.

[Madman]

Hi Kruzin,

I did run the card at AGP 1x last time (Before I reinstalled again) and everything was stable. I decided to try and tackle my AGP 2x problem again by reintalling again and it worked for a couple of days. Now, I'm getting the intermittent crashes with the corrupted video followed by a frozen system. I believe that my system is currently running at AGP 2x.

Madman

[everettes]

Madman

Try what I did and put your SCSI adapter in Slot one under the G400. This worked great for me while I had Win98SE on. I was also running 32 desktop which helped B4 trying the SCSI thing. After I forced the G400 and 2940U2W to share IRQ's all was fine and performance was phenomenal. And busmastering was enabled.

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[space7]

I wander if the problem is not in the W98. with W2K I never had the X2 problem ting. And it is misterius that when it crash after 2 or tree day of stability it crash more than before. Madman I had the same problem that you have. I corrected by living only the G400 during the installation if W98. And pouting all ather card one by one. changing Ram place. The noise ting it's true but with the experience that I get from this card say me that is not only a noise ting. I'm talking about windows 98, This OS is suck I cant that he can not accept AGP X2 full support. I ting that you should youse X1 and wait for W2K. I get no acceration with X2.

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[This message has been edited by space7 (edited 12 November 1999).]

[space7]

And sorry everette but the slot one ting is a very curious ting. Because that because partaging AGP with PCI slot one make's more noise. It cant be that the windows crap is beter controling IRQ and having less IRQ conflict it's bug less. Windows 98 is realy a shit.

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My concern is with growth. You must grow to become one, to become whole, to become sane. I am not going to force sanity upon you. Rather, I am going to bring out your insanity. When it is pulled out completely, throw into the wind, sanity will happen to you, you will grow. You will be transformated. That is the meaning of meditation

Osho
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[This message has been edited by space7 (edited 12 November 1999).]

[everettes]

space7

Noise is a curios thing. True noise (unwanted EMI or distance degradation) can bet reduced by closing the distance from the source to the farthest point needed. This is general to electric transmissions of all types. The farther you get from the source, the more NOISE you inject. On mainbaords those distances are inches. The higher frequency, low-voltage, and medium determine these things. That's what was causing the problem with Intel's Third Rambus slot, the distance at that frequency was just too far from the CPU, and noise was introduced. So although it may have been an IRQ thing, noise can be reduced by bring devices closer to the bus origin. A prime example is IDE cables are standard 18", going longer than that will not work in some systems. SCSI is the same way. And you can't argue with what works. Sharing IRQ's with the G400 and SCSI was the ONLY thing that made the G400 work in my systems. But having SCSI, I'm flooding my PCI bus alot more than the avergage user. A 8 meg\sec IDE HD at the other side of the board is completely different than a 20 meg\sec Cheetah strapped directly on the PCI Bus. I think this is where most of my problems came in. Madman also has SCSI and may be using high performance drives. The data rate through the bus may have been pushing the niose level of the bus _just above_ what the G400 could handle. Thus, reducing the distance (moving the SCSI closer in) reduced it enough to bring the thresh hold down for the G400. Whew!

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[space7]

everette. Like you say noise is curius ting . Have you a ABIT mother board. Because you are talking about just one type of noise. When you have to share the PCI slot one with th AGP one little conflic with ich ather cant be enaf to freeze up the computer. Noise is very complex it can be made from eniting. Is just like many routs with many car in different direction when you have a rout that have to many cars in it one or to can be poushed out and go in the rong rout and this force an accident in the ather routs. Sharing AGP with PCI when AGP is yoused in it's maximum like the G400 you force an accident because the second route is alredy yoused by ather cars. A rong car in the rong routs is like an information or a lake of information that is not supposed to hapen. This can be as well called a noise it's true that it's not the real deffinition of noise but it can be call noise. Ather noise cant be produce by different source but the sharing ting is this one.

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My concern is with growth. You must grow to become one, to become whole, to become sane. I am not going to force sanity upon you. Rather, I am going to bring out your insanity. When it is pulled out completely, throw into the wind, sanity will happen to you, you will grow. You will be transformated. That is the meaning of meditation

Osho
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(Corrected by Robert&Collins dictionary)


[This message has been edited by space7 (edited 12 November 1999).]

[everettes]

That would just be an IRQ conflict. And is dependant on the G400's ability to get along with the SCSI. They get along better together than they do apart on my board. I have an Itel board (SE440BX-2)and a Tyan S1832DL. I personally don't care for Abit boards. Hell, If it's an Orange board I don't like it. Tyan and Intel are all I build with. They've never let me down. Orange boards in general just seem to have a lower success rate with me. They seem a bit loose with specs. Which means you can slap any crap hardware and it'll run, but at the cost of stability. That's just me. Other's have great success with them. I tried one recently just to see how they've come, and had nothing but trouble with the same hardware that is unstoppable with my Intel and Tyan boards. And the Data rates were a bit lower. Abit and a few others are popular for their overclockability. I really can't say that they have anything to offer besides that.

But opinions are like rear-ends, everybody has one. Stick with what work for you.

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[space7]

O.K, Now I anderstand you don't have a ABIT, my abit card has mad me crazy. Heh because Abit suck share the AGP and PCI slot one heh Glad to talk about interesting ting with you

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My concern is with growth. You must grow to become one, to become whole, to become sane. I am not going to force sanity upon you. Rather, I am going to bring out your insanity. When it is pulled out completely, throw into the wind, sanity will happen to you, you will grow. You will be transformated. That is the meaning of meditation

Osho
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[Mark F]

Many ( ? most/all ? ) boards share the PCI slot1 and AGP IRQ. But it's documented, I know I read it somewhere but can't remember where, that SCSI and AGP or OK to share. A lot has to do with the MOBOs, my AOpen board was able to share my G400s IRQ with other cards (as a test) without problems; many MOBOs can't. Currently on one IRQ I'm running USB, SOUNDCARD, and 2nd NETWORK card; everthing works well!

Hey MADMAN,
Some time ago I had a brief problem with my G200 and 2X, after a BIOS upgrade. It had worked fine before, now I had to force it, and would cause havok as soon as 3D was used in 2X, 1X was fine. I removed card in device manager, restarted WINDOWS, the card was (re)faund, and all worked well again.
Hey it can't hurt, and doesn't take too long. It's also helped another who tried it. AS for the SCSI card in SLOT1, it's much quicker to try it than to reinstall WINDOZE, what do you have to loose?

Mark F.


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[everettes]

Andrei:

LOL!

I know the Orange board thing really gets some people. My first experience with one was a PCChips that the dist gave me for free.
Tell you anything?

Then an Abit, then some others. Including an Abit BM6 I used about 3 weeks ago (for a family member aho is an el cheapo, he wouldn't put out for anything but a celly). But I can GUARANTEE myself a headache if I put one in a customers workstation. Their not really install and go boards.

I wait patiently for the coming flames to reach my buttocks! :-)

Also, if a companies website is half cheesy graphics and Chinese Simplified, it's time to hit the back button.



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[ALBPM]

Just don't talk bad about Jorden's Orangeboom Beer.

Madman, I'm having a similar problem after moving my system to a new case. every 1 1/2 to 2 days mine locks up in a very similar fashion. Usually while playing an openGL game. When I transfered my system I kept all the cards in the same slots everything was identical except the case and power supply.

I have since insulated the mobo with nylon washers, reformated and reinstalled WN98, moved the PCI cards and IRQs around all but trying a different power supply. I'm getting a new PS from PC Power and Cooling which should arrive shortly. I'll let you know if it helps.

Have you tried moving your RAM to different slots??

Paul

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[Snake-Eyes]

Here's your flames, everettes- burn, baby! (not worth wasting my breath, er, napalm, over). Like you said, everyone has opinions, right. Some of us have just had more luck than others with these "orange" boards.

And, at least I can find the info I want on that web-site. Intel's site is so convoluted that I've spent days trying to find some information on it (for the original Intel-designed and built OEM Pentium motherboard that was in my box).

Catch you later guys.

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