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    G400 MAX is STILL not working

    Merry Christmas to everyone!!!

    For about a month now, I haven't been able to get my MAX working (at AGP1x or 2x). Everything is just fine if Bus Mastering is disabled, but as soon as I enable it, it crashes. I must hard-reset it. In UT (and similar games/benchmarks), I can fly around forever with BM enabled before I actually start it, but when I do....

    Please help me

    system:
    IWILL XA100 mobo (ALI chipset) with latest drivers/bios
    K6-300
    G400MAX with latest drivers/bios/pd 4.31 (or whatever it's called, sorry, I'm on a different system now)
    196 megs pc100 RAM
    REALMagic Plus Decoder Card
    Audio Ensonique PCI (sort of a sound card, I think )
    32X Sony CD-ROM
    Toshiba DVD-ROM (DMA both disabled)

    I think that about covers it. I'm running Win98 S.E.. There are no IRQ conflicts that I can tell. G400 MAX is by itself on IRQ 11 with a PCI steering. PLEASE help me try and fix this without having the IRQ's because it's a real pain in the @$$ to have to write them all down (I left my printer at school) and then copy them onto my dad's computer adn then post them... Although I will gladly do it if necessary.


    Ok, thanks in advance for any help you may have.

    Dimitri

    Merry Cristmas again!
    "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
    --- Albert Einstein


    "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."
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  • #2
    Dimitri, What Gcard did you have installed before the G400?
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    • #3
      Dimitri,
      Sorry to see you are still having problems. The only thing I can think of to try next is to delete the Sony CD-ROM in Program Manager, shut down completely, disconnect it from the cable its on and disconnect its power cable. You shouldn't need both and the Toshiba likes UDMA busmastering just fine (well, at least my 1212 does).

      Keep us posted.

      RAB
      AMD K6III-450; Epox EP-MVP3G5; G400DH32; Maxtor 10gig UDMA66; 128meg PC100; Aureal SQ2500 sound; PCI Modem Blaster; Linksys 10/100 NIC; Mag 800V 19"; AL ACS54 4 speaker sound; Logitech wireless mouse; Logitech Wingman Extreme (great for lefties)

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      • #4
        Greebe, I had a Matrox Productiva G100. God, what a difference... Even without BM working.
        Ok, I'm not going to get a new mobo just yet as I'm waiting for the KX-133 (I'm thinking, any other suggestions?) so I'll try the CD trick. Let you guys know.
        "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
        --- Albert Einstein


        "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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        • #5
          Hi Muad'Dib!

          ... I am pretty sure about what the problem is... as I had a similar problem with my G400MAX ... please read my note "G400Max ... - uninstallable?" posted 2 days ago...

          ... the thing is that the the G400Max has got conflicts with the ali chipset of some mobos.... the chipset controlls the bus mastering... so... when u deactivate the bus mastering you restrict the chipset activities and your G400max works.... as soon as u activitate the bus mastering you bring the ali chipset back into business... and thus, the G400max out of business...

          .... I replaced my old mobo (with ali chipset) with a new one (with intel chipset)..... now, the system rocks like mad.... installation was like a dream... everthing is stable...

          ... good luck!... and have a nice x-mas....

          Jack

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          • #6
            Ok, I disconnected/deleted my cd-rom and it still froze. It just took a while ... Uhhh, In case it helps, here is a look at the BIOS info that I know relates to video cards. Please let me know if I'm doing anything blatenly wrong. Thanks again.

            sorry, I forgot to post the bios stuff (That's why I'm at UCLA... ):

            Here are all the BIOS settings I know about that relate to graphics:

            BIOS FEATURES SETUP:
            PCI/VGA Palette Snoop: Disabled
            Assign IRQ for VGA: Enabled
            Video BIOS Shadow: Disabled

            CHIPSET FEATURES SETUP:
            Pipelined Funtion: Disabled
            Graphics Aperture Size: 256
            AGP Read Burst: Disabled
            Primary Frame Buffer: Disabled
            VGA Frame Buffer: Disabled

            INTEGRATED PERIPHERALS:
            Init Display First: AGP



            [This message has been edited by Muad'Dib (edited 26 December 1999).]
            "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
            --- Albert Einstein


            "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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            • #7
              A couple other interesting things I just noticed. Under the the Sandra99 program (or whatever it's called), it says my MAX has a VESA BIOS of an MGA G200. Is this normal or do I have some other driver that shouldn't be there? I also noticed (using the same program) that I'm using version 1.00 of my AGP Drivers. I just updated to AGP 1.65 but it still says 1.00. Again, am I missing something here??? And incase you are like me and you forget what someone is talking about in the first post, I'm using an IWILL XA100 (ALI) mobo.

              Thanks again for your help.
              "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
              --- Albert Einstein


              "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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              • #8
                Dimitri, I can't speak with any authority about your AGP drivers, but Sandra reports the same thing about my Max's VESA BIOS.

                Paul
                paulcs@flashcom.net

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                • #9
                  That's good to know that I'm not the only one... Any ideas as to the rest of the stuff though? How to possibly fix this issue? Thanks
                  "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
                  --- Albert Einstein


                  "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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                  • #10
                    I think you should set this:

                    Primary Frame buffer: enable
                    VGA framebuffer: enable
                    Graphics Aperture: 64MB
                    (Try 64MB first, only go higher if it works.)

                    Just forget about Sandra crappy VESA detection. Mine also shown as G200. But my G400 is working 100% rock solid. Other DOS utilities correctly identified G400 32MB. (agSI and SciTech VBETEST). VESA is DOS stuffs.

                    For best troubleshooting, take out all other peripherals: your soundcard, RealMagic stuffs, only leave G400 alone in its AGP slot. Turn off all other bus mastering capable device, such as your ALi EIDE controller. Minimize Win98 background activities. Make sure you're not having any overclocking at all.

                    Check your PCI IRQ triggering method in the BIOS. Make sure it is level triggered, not edge triggered. Goto Win98SE device manager->System device->PCI Bus. Look whether PCI IRQ Steering is working properly.

                    If that condition and bus master still won't work, then I suspect that you have a defective board. I checked iWill website, there are actually two revision of the your model. Perhaps you may want to question G400 compatibility with their boards as well.

                    Your board may be quite some time, and they may not tested with new chip such as G400. If that's the case, ask them about G200 compatibility. If G200 works, mostly will G400.

                    My MSI-5184 has only been tested with G200. And they only shown status PASSED. Only AOpen, which I know, verified AGP compatibility with PCIList to make sure a 2x card works in 2x mode.
                    KJ Liew

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                    • #11
                      Whats you're Irq listing by the way.
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                      • #12
                        Ok, here's the deal. I set the correct bios settings according to KJLIEW. Now I can run UT seemingly forever with BM enabled, but when I run 3dMark2000 or Q3 (which I could never get to run previously btw) it will freeze. Sometimes it takes a while and some other times it is instant freeze. Keep the info coming people... Thanks

                        KJLIEW - You told me to check if my IRQ steering is working. It says it is. I have the Use IRQ Steering box checked and then four "sub-boxes" underneath in this order. 1)Get IRQ table using ACPI Bios 2)Get IRQ table using MS Specification Table 3) Get IRQ table from Protected Mode PCI Bios 2.1 call 4)Get IRQ table from Real Mode PCI Bios 2.1 call. By the list, numbers 1,2,4 are checked in my computer. Is this right?

                        Also, you told me to check about the IDE controllers. All I have there is a "ALi Bus Master PCI to IDE Controller" set on default. Is this correct? I have both hd's on Primary IDE and both CD's on secondary. Should I leave it on default or should I change to 1)Both IDE Channels enabled 2)Only Primary Channel Enabled 3)Only Secondary Channel Enabled 4)No IDE Channels Enabled. Thanks a lot.


                        Sorry, forgot my IRQ's (In shorthand because I can't cut and paste them):
                        00 System Timer
                        01 Standard 101 Keyboard
                        02 Programmable Interrupt Controller
                        03 Com 2
                        04 Com 1
                        06 Standard Floppy Disk Controller
                        07 LPT 1
                        08 System CMOS/Real Time Clock
                        10 ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
                        10 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
                        11 G400
                        11 IRQ Holder for PCI Steering
                        12 Cordless7 (mouse)
                        13 Numeric Data Processor
                        14 Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
                        14 Primary IDE Controller (Single Fifo)
                        15 Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
                        15 Secondary IDE Controller (Single Fifo)

                        It looks fine to me, but if you have any qualms about it, let me know. Thanks again.

                        [This message has been edited by Muad'Dib (edited 28 December 1999).]
                        "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
                        --- Albert Einstein


                        "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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                        • #13
                          Keep your IDE channels enabled unless you don't want to be able to use your drives in windows :P

                          As for 3DMark2k, I wouldn't worry about it too much, since it has some problems with a bunch of video cards. Just make sure your games run fine and are stable. Thats what counts, right?

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                          • #14
                            Single FIFO? Have you installed the newest bus mastering patching from ALI?

                            Warchild

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                            • #15
                              I may be kind of dumb to be saying this, but I've installed all the latest drivers from the ALI webpage. They have an IDE driver update and an AGP update. Those are current. However, there is no specific bus-mastering update available. Am I correct to assume that it is included within the AGP/IDE updates? If so, then yes, I have installed it. If not, please tell me the link to the latest update. Thank you.
                              "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
                              --- Albert Einstein


                              "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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