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    RAB, I think we're getting somewhere

    ok, I flashed my bios again (just for the fun of it), and then reinstalled PDesk (again for the fun of it) and then I reinstalled my AGP drivers. It is running at 2x (I will try changing it tomorrow) but now, when it freezes, I can CAD until my system restarts, as opposed to having to hard reset it. I imagine this is a step? Not a very big one, but a step nontheless. Let me know if you have any other ideas. Is this possibly a power related issue? I just checked my supply and it says its only 250 (I could have sworn it was 300). Anyway, let me know. Thanks.

    Ok, AGP 1x doesn't work at all. It freezes within a minute. I just noticed something. My FSB is only running @ 66. Could this be the problem? I remember reading that the closer you got to 100, the better the performance of the card (and someone said it fixes crashing problems).

    [This message has been edited by Muad'Dib (edited 18 January 2000).]
    "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
    --- Albert Einstein


    "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."
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  • #2
    Just bringing this up to the top. You can answer, even if you aren't RAB.
    "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
    --- Albert Einstein


    "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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    • #3
      I had another idea too. Since the newest PD requires DX7, that would lead me to think that the installation order should be Win98SE, DX7, PD5.50, and then the chipset AGP driver. If you are not using 5.50 yet, it might not matter whether DX7 or the PD is loaded first, but the AGP driver should be last.

      By all means, set the FSB at 100mhz (assuming your RAM can handle it) and see if your CPU will work at 3 or 3.5 x100. And leave the G400 at AGP 2x if it works.

      RAB

      [This message has been edited by RAB (edited 19 January 2000).]
      AMD K6III-450; Epox EP-MVP3G5; G400DH32; Maxtor 10gig UDMA66; 128meg PC100; Aureal SQ2500 sound; PCI Modem Blaster; Linksys 10/100 NIC; Mag 800V 19"; AL ACS54 4 speaker sound; Logitech wireless mouse; Logitech Wingman Extreme (great for lefties)

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      • #4
        Ok, how do I change the fsb? I have the jumper settings to 100 x 3. Unfortunately, Sandra tells me that it is running at 66. Is this a bug? My RAM should be able to handle it, both are pc100.
        "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
        --- Albert Einstein


        "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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        • #5
          Assuming you have the jumpers set correctly, it might be a Sandra problem. Go here and get Wcpuid to confirm the FSB setting:
          http://www.h-oda.com/

          RAB
          AMD K6III-450; Epox EP-MVP3G5; G400DH32; Maxtor 10gig UDMA66; 128meg PC100; Aureal SQ2500 sound; PCI Modem Blaster; Linksys 10/100 NIC; Mag 800V 19"; AL ACS54 4 speaker sound; Logitech wireless mouse; Logitech Wingman Extreme (great for lefties)

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          • #6
            Ok, I got it, but I don't see the fsb settings anywhere. I will try to post it up here so you can see it.

            [ WCPUID Ver.2.7a (c) 1996-2000 By H.Oda! ]

            Processor 1 : AMD K6-2 (Model 8) / C44774E6
            Platform : Socket 7 (PGA Socket)
            Vendor ID : AuthenticAMD
            Type ID : 0 (0)
            Family ID : 5 (6)
            Model ID : 8 (8)
            Stepping ID : 0 (0)
            Brand ID : 0 (0)

            Clock Frequency
            Internal : 299.29 MHz
            External : ---
            Multiplier : ---

            L1 I-Cache : 32K
            L1 D-Cache : 32K
            L2 Cache : ---
            L2 Latency : ---

            MMX : Supported
            SIMD : Not Supported
            3DNow! : Supported

            Machine : IBM PC/AT
            Version : Windows 98 Version 4.10.2222 A

            ----------- : --------
            F.Flags : 808009BF 80000005
            I@PCP : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
            : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
            A@EXT : 00000000 02800140 20020220 20020220
            : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
            W@010A : 00000000 00000000
            W@0147 : 00000000 00000000
            A@C080 : 00000000 00000000
            A@C087 : 00000000 00000000


            Ok, I also noticed that I only have a 250 watt p.s. I could have sworn it was 300, but anyway, is this possibly causing a problem? I would imagine if it were power related, the computer would reset as opposed to freeze, but I'm no expert.

            [This message has been edited by Muad'Dib (edited 19 January 2000).]
            "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
            --- Albert Einstein


            "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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            • #7
              What motherboard/chipset?

              Since you're running super7, the agp drivers install first THEN the video drivers....

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              • #8
                hiya.

                sounds like a problem slightly similar to the one that was keeping me from getting agp transfers until i came across the right order of installed components. although my system was based on a p2 lx chipset board.

                - os (98se)
                - uspsupp drivers (included the os drivers to enable agp)
                - mb chipset drivers (piix4 enabled busmastering etc)
                - matrox drivers

                i realize that the two middle steps might look unfamiliar to you, but it makes me think that in your case, you need to play with the order your doing this, but try leaving the matrox drivers till last. but not knowing what's gone on before i posted this, that might have already been addressed.

                good luck!
                8¬)


                ps- for those of you who are gonna correct me for putting the usbsupp after 98se, yes i know 98se doesn't need the usbsupp. just used 98se to relate it closer to this problem.
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                p2 266@300 (4x75mhz) | qdi legend-v, lx chipset, bios 2.0sl | 96 mb pc100 | mill g200agp@99mhz 8mb sg, bios 2.6, pd 5.3 | win 98se

                [This message has been edited by scotty (edited 19 January 2000).]
                p2 266@300 (4x75mhz) | qdi legend-v, lx chipset, bios 2.0sl | 96 mb pc100 | mill g200agp@99mhz 8mb sg, bios 2.6, pd 5.52 | win 98se

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                • #9
                  Are you sure it reported your FSB @ 66mhz or the AGP bus @ 66mhz, which is what it should be.
                  The VIA or ALI drivers should be installed before the matrox drivers.
                  Mine: Epox EP-8KTA3, Matrox G400 32mb DH + RRG, Athlon 1.2/266, 256mb, WD 30gb ATA100, Pio 32x CDROM, Adaptec 2940U2W, WD 18.3GB 10k U2W, Yamaha CDRW4416, Pio DVD-303, Scsi Zip 100, Seagate 10/20 Gb tape, SBlive platinum, Linksys 10/100 nic, HP 712c printer, HP 6200 scanner, Linksys 4port cable router, Linksys 2port print server/switch
                  Hers: Epox EP-3VSA, G400 32mb SH, PIII 750, 256mb, WD 10gb, Pio 6x DVD, Zip 250, Diamond S90, Linksys 10/100 nic

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                  • #10
                    Dimitri,
                    The FSB speed is supposed to be the EXTERNAL speed under the Clock Frequency section. I'll look tonight when I get home. Strange!

                    Guys, I know the usual order is AGP first and Matrox second, but I had to reverse the order to get it right on mine. I also reinstall the AGP drivers after I upgrade the Matrox drivers. It doesn't seem to hurt anything.

                    RAB
                    AMD K6III-450; Epox EP-MVP3G5; G400DH32; Maxtor 10gig UDMA66; 128meg PC100; Aureal SQ2500 sound; PCI Modem Blaster; Linksys 10/100 NIC; Mag 800V 19"; AL ACS54 4 speaker sound; Logitech wireless mouse; Logitech Wingman Extreme (great for lefties)

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                    • #11
                      Wcpuid doesn't measure the FSB on K6-2's unless its one of the later ones with the CXT core. It doesn't measure it on my K6-2 350, but it does show it on my K6-III 450. Oh well, sorry for the wild goose chase.

                      However, it will show the status of your AGP driver. Check the AGP Info box and in the top section of the box that comes up, look at AGP Operations. If it says "Enable" then your AGP driver is installed correctly.

                      RAB

                      P.S. I'm having a similar problem to yours on my K6-2 350. On the game Outcast, the machine will lock up after about an hour or so and only a hard boot will get it working again. I found this out last week and I'm still baffled. The game works fine on my K6-III. Interesting
                      AMD K6III-450; Epox EP-MVP3G5; G400DH32; Maxtor 10gig UDMA66; 128meg PC100; Aureal SQ2500 sound; PCI Modem Blaster; Linksys 10/100 NIC; Mag 800V 19"; AL ACS54 4 speaker sound; Logitech wireless mouse; Logitech Wingman Extreme (great for lefties)

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                      • #12
                        A conflict perhaps as the card IS made for higher end systems? Anyway, here are the info for the AGP from WCUPID.

                        [ WCPUID Ver.2.7a (c) 1996-2000 By H.Oda! ]
                        << AGP Chip set Info. >>

                        Chip-set Device : ALi Aladdin V
                        Chip-set Revision : 04
                        AGP Revision : 1.0
                        AGP Operations : Enable

                        Data Transfer Rate
                        Supported : 1x 2x
                        Current : 2x

                        Side band addressing : Enable
                        Aperture Size : Unknown

                        -------- -------- -------- --------
                        154110B9 24100006 06000004 00002000
                        00000000
                        00100002 1B000203 1B000302 0BF6A009
                        DFFD8010 00000002 00000ABF D8000000


                        What do you think about the power issue? I'll probably build a new one just in case when I go back home but for now I'm stuck with this stupid one.

                        Thanks again.
                        "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
                        --- Albert Einstein


                        "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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                        • #13
                          I don't think power is a problem if you have a 250 watt P.S. I've got a 235 watts supply on my K6-III 450 and it runs fine with that.

                          I did just replace a 200 watt supply on my K6-2. But the old one was nearly two years old and had been running my K6-2 overclocked to 400 for several months. When it died, the machine would not even boot.

                          RAB
                          AMD K6III-450; Epox EP-MVP3G5; G400DH32; Maxtor 10gig UDMA66; 128meg PC100; Aureal SQ2500 sound; PCI Modem Blaster; Linksys 10/100 NIC; Mag 800V 19"; AL ACS54 4 speaker sound; Logitech wireless mouse; Logitech Wingman Extreme (great for lefties)

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                          • #14
                            Ok, as I said, I'm NO expert... Does the AGP thing look ok? Dude, I'm completely out of ideas....
                            "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
                            --- Albert Einstein


                            "Drag racing is for people that don't know how to brake and downshift at the same time."

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                            • #15
                              The AGP looks fine. I'm running out of ideas, too. Did all the DX7 tests work on dxdiag? Is Unreal the only game your computer completely freezes on?

                              Let me try a few things on my K6-2 system and see what happens. I have a suspicion about my sound card I want to try out. I'll let you know later tomorrow about that.

                              BTW, I checked the FSB with Sandra on my K6-2 that I have overclocked to 112mhz. Sandra only reports 98mhz. It doesn't look too reliable for measuring the FSB. It also reported the AGP bus as 66 while it should report 75 since its overclocked.

                              RAB


                              [This message has been edited by RAB (edited 20 January 2000).]
                              AMD K6III-450; Epox EP-MVP3G5; G400DH32; Maxtor 10gig UDMA66; 128meg PC100; Aureal SQ2500 sound; PCI Modem Blaster; Linksys 10/100 NIC; Mag 800V 19"; AL ACS54 4 speaker sound; Logitech wireless mouse; Logitech Wingman Extreme (great for lefties)

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