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    G400 with P3V4X

    I've got a G400 running on a P3V4X. The problem I'm having is that during games sometimes it throws me back to the desktop. Seems to happen when alot of stuff is happening on screen at the same time. I am running a Celeron on a 100FSB but the exact same config was stable at that speed on my P2B. I've got PC133 Crucial memory running at 2-2-2. Would raising the I/O voltage on the card be any use? Any ideas?
    tks

    Rick



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    ASUS P3V4X,Celeron 366@550, 2.26v, 128mb PC133 Crucial RAM, G400 DH, Maxtor 7200rpm 10GB, 4.3GB Fujistu, Creative 24x, Creative X-Gamer, NIC (DSL baby!), ISA Modem

    Asus A7V133, Duron 750@847, 512mb PC133 Crucial RAM, G400 DH, Maxtor 7200rpm 40 & 15GB, Liteon 16/10/32, Samsung 12x DVD, SB-Live, D-Link NIC
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  • #2
    Rick, what drivers are you using for the G400. PD 5.41 and 5.30 work better with VIA chipsets than 5.52.

    You might want to revisit your motherboard's BIOS and make sure all the setting are appropriate for your G400: AGP aperture increased to 256 MB, all video caching and shadowing disabled, etc.

    The only part you're overclocking is your CPU, and I suspect it is the only part that requires a voltage tweak. Your CPU voltage is pretty high. You might be having a heat problem.

    While I found the P3V4X to be very stable, it's overclocking stability isn't quite as good as some BX boards I've used. For instance, I've found that I can't quite push the speed or timings of my RAM as far as I did with an extremely stable BX board I was using previously. Is your PC133 RAM CL2-rated, or is it CAS3 RAM that you could run at 2-2-2 on your P2B? If it is, you might want to change your timings. (I'm assuming you're running your RAM at 133 MHz.)

    I hope you intend to upgrade to a Coppermine soon. While the Apollo Pro 133A chipset is great for overclockers making the jump from a 100 to 133 MHz FSB, it doesn't bring much to the table when going from 66 to 100 MHz.

    Paul
    paulcs@flashcom.net

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    • #3
      Hi Paul, thanks for the reply. I am using the 5.52 drivers guess I'll go looking for the 5.30 set cause the 5.41 was buggy on my system. Have the AGP aperature set for 64 will bump it up. I found the board a little unstable with a memory bus of 133 so I'm running both at 100 and the memory at 2-2-2 even though it's CAS 3 PC133 stock. The coppermine is in sight was hoping to let a couple of steppings come out before I buy. The temp of the chip is strange, the board shows it between 42-44C at idle and 55C under load. But in the 3 minutes it takes me to shut down and pull the chip, once I get the heatsink off it's barely warm.

      tks

      Rick

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      ASUS P3V4X,Celeron 366@550, 2.26v, 128mb PC133 Crucial RAM, G400 DH, Maxtor 7200rpm 10GB, 4.3GB Fujistu, Creative 24x, Creative X-Gamer, NIC (DSL baby!), ISA Modem



      [This message has been edited by Rick (edited 02 April 2000).]
      Asus A7V133, Duron 750@847, 512mb PC133 Crucial RAM, G400 DH, Maxtor 7200rpm 40 & 15GB, Liteon 16/10/32, Samsung 12x DVD, SB-Live, D-Link NIC

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      • #4
        Paul after I tried everything you suggested it still threw me out to the desktop while playing SOF. I've finally dropped back to a 66FSB runnnig 2-2-2 on a 100 memory bus. That seems to be more to it's liking, was able to get through the entire demo. The drop back to 2.0v took 15C off the top when under full load and 4C when idle. Guess it's time to start shopping for a Cumine.

        Rick

        [This message has been edited by Rick (edited 03 April 2000).]
        Asus A7V133, Duron 750@847, 512mb PC133 Crucial RAM, G400 DH, Maxtor 7200rpm 40 & 15GB, Liteon 16/10/32, Samsung 12x DVD, SB-Live, D-Link NIC

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        • #5
          My G400 MAX lives in:

          - Asus P3V4X w/BIOS 1003
          - BIOS has UCSW set, AGP Apeture's 256, all shadowing is OFF.
          - AGP Miniport 4.20 from VIA
          - PowerDesk 5.30
          - TurboGL 1.3
          - Win 98SE
          - PIII-550E at 138FSB (750)
          - Four 128MB PC133 ECC SDRAM DIMMs, from www.crucial.com.

          Works great with UT. It will occasionally bomb out, but I'm using the Beta 2 dll because the 413 D3D DLL is 50% slower. Half-Life runs using the TurboGL with no problems, albeit not quite as snappy as my V2 SLI or V3-2000 cards.

          Just my $0.02
          The pessimist says: "The glass is half empty."
          The optimist says: "The glass is half full."
          The engineer says: "I put half of my water in a redundant glass."

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          • #6
            Boy, could I not get on the forums yesterday or much of the past week.

            I ran out and bought SOF over the weekend to check out its benchmarking potential (and maybe play a bit )

            I don't believe it's related to your videocard. I've gotten a few lockups and was knocked back to the desktop on several occasions with a P3V4X and a TNT2 Ultra.

            Are your problems now isolated to SOF? Although I had several problems with the board early on, I never had in-game issues until I installed SOF. We might want to start looking to Raven for a patch.

            By the way, I've gotten lockups after running the timedemo and was booted back to the desktop after changing resolutions. I can guarantee problems with my configuration if I attempt to disable sound at the console.

            If I were you, I'd get rid of that Asus hardware monitoring software. It is, apparently, a resource hog, and it's given a lot of people problems. Some have questioned how accurate it is as well.

            Paul
            paulcs@flashcom.net

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            • #7
              Hi Paul. I don't have the Asus Probe running at all time, just every now and then if I want to check something specific. Can't say if it's only SOF, I haven't had too much free time since I installed the new motherboard so I haven't put UT or any other game back on the HD. So what's the verdict on the full game, worth the money?

              Rick

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              ASUS P3V4X,Celeron 366@550, 2.26v, 128mb PC133 Crucial RAM, G400 DH, Maxtor 7200rpm 10GB, 4.3GB Fujistu, Creative 24x, Creative X-Gamer, NIC (DSL baby!), ISA Modem

              Asus A7V133, Duron 750@847, 512mb PC133 Crucial RAM, G400 DH, Maxtor 7200rpm 40 & 15GB, Liteon 16/10/32, Samsung 12x DVD, SB-Live, D-Link NIC

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              • #8
                Is this the only problem you're having or are you having similar problems with OpenGL?

                Maybe it's not a VIA issue at all. Because the plate on the G400 is oddly shaped, it's really easy for the board to become misaligned when screwing it on to your case. Remove the screw, make sure it is entirely in the slot, and properly aligned. Give it a good push and make sure the back end doesn't come up a hair when screwing it back it.

                The G400 should be on IRQ 9, 10, or 11 and it shouldn't be sharing with *anything* but IRQ Holder for PCI Steering. If there's anything in the PCI slot next to the AGP slot, you should probably move it.

                Make sure Fast Writes is not enabled in the BIOS. Only the GeForce supports this feature.

                If your motherboard's BIOS defaulted to AGP 4x, try AGP 2x.

                And while you're in the BIOS, make sure all *video* shadowing and caching features are disabled and that AGP aperture is at 256 MB.

                Paul
                paulcs@flashcom.net



                [This message has been edited by paulcs (edited 06 April 2000).]

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                • #9
                  I've just built a system on the P3V4x, a 600E with win98 & using my old G200 & I'm getting similair problems.
                  But I've found that any attempt to run Direct3D on the card is causing a windows protect error.
                  If I run the win98 Directx diagnostics Tool & test Direct3d using hardware the test fails & I get a windows protect error on a black screen !
                  I've tried all the suggestions posted but no luck.....
                  There is obviously some issue with the Via chipset as people are having similair probs on other VIA boards .
                  By the way I'm running the VIA 4.17 drivers & the latest Asus Bios 1003.
                  The hunt continues....

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                  • #10
                    NO I haven't had time to test opengl - maybe tonight....
                    Thanks for the other suggestions but I've tried those already & no joy!
                    BY the way the probs I'm having are with the G200 but issues seem to be the same with the G400. hence my posting in this thread.
                    You maybe right in saying it might not be a VIA issue. It could be a G*** driver issue with the VIA 133a chipset - who knows.....

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                    • #11
                      Upgraded to the beta 1 of Bios 1004. It's seems to have fixed my video card problems, also got a nice boost in the Sandra Memory benchmark. It's nice to see Asus coming out with such rapid Bios revisions.
                      Asus A7V133, Duron 750@847, 512mb PC133 Crucial RAM, G400 DH, Maxtor 7200rpm 40 & 15GB, Liteon 16/10/32, Samsung 12x DVD, SB-Live, D-Link NIC

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                      • #12
                        Today I messed with the CPU/memory ratio and memory timings. I found that if I set the CPU/memory ratio manually to 1/1 and let the motherboard set the timings automatically (as opposed to manually setting them to 2-2-2), my memory benchmarks in Sandra increase fairly substantially.

                        CPU/Memory Bandwidth: 373
                        FPU/Memory Bandwidth: 444

                        I get different scores everytime I run the benchmark, and I've gotten scores like this in the past, but usually on my second or third try. Now, I'm consistently around or over 450 (FPU).

                        I haven't tried the beta BIOS yet. The machine appears to be running like a top, and I don't want to attempt to fix something that isn't broken and break something in the process. It's good to see your video problems are fixed. Many people have tried the new BIOS and can't figure out what it fixes.

                        Have you seen this site?
                        http://www.netspace.net.au/%7Ejesse/p3v4x/main.html

                        They're somehow related to Overclockers Australia. Here's the forums page:

                        http://www.overclockers.com.au/forums/list.php3?num=8

                        For a new forum, it is very active and, I believe, potentially useful. You might want to check them out.

                        Paul
                        paulcs@flashcom.net

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                        • #13
                          Paul I noticed the same thing. With the memory set to By SPD it seems to improve performance. Apparently the new bios may lower the I/O voltage. Not sure how to check and as long as it's working like it is currently, couldn't care.

                          Rick



                          [This message has been edited by Rick (edited 10 April 2000).]
                          Asus A7V133, Duron 750@847, 512mb PC133 Crucial RAM, G400 DH, Maxtor 7200rpm 40 & 15GB, Liteon 16/10/32, Samsung 12x DVD, SB-Live, D-Link NIC

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