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  • G800: Will it be what we all have been waiting for?

    Hi!

    Lately there have been a lot of rumours spreading over the internet about the specifications of the upcoming (?) G800 or whatever chip. Of course I do understand that these facts may not at all represent reality. However I will post here my thoughts about the next chipset from Matrox and would like to hear your opinion as well.

    nVidia during the last months has experienced a huge success in the market. Their GeForce2 card seems to be faster than any other at the moment, while the recently announced GeForce2 MX is a most serious threat to Matrox G400 (or even G450 I dare to say).

    3dfx which was never a problem for Matrox since they had a diametrically opposite strategy has also entered the "high (ok here you may laugh :-) ) quality graphics arena" with hardware support for FSAA etc. Moreover the Voodoo 6000 which is supposed to hit the market soon has killer specs:

    Quad VSA-100 processors and 128 MB
    One billion pixel per second fill rate
    Renders eight fully featured pixels per clock
    1.33 and 1.47 gigatexels/gigapixels per second
    Priced at $599.99.

    32-bit Textures
    2k x 2k Textures
    350MHz RAMDAC
    (while copying these specs I still wonder whether this really is 3dfx :-) oh well...)

    Of course there are many more examples out there such as Radeon (or whatever), or even the next version of Kyro whatever that will be...

    My point is, Matrox should really do SOMETHING with their G800 chip. I do understand that Matrox is not aiming the high-end gamers market, but nVidia with their MX chip are clearly trying to intrude into Matrox's arena (and sucessfully).

    G800 specs:

    250MHz DDR RAM clock (GF2: 166) 3 pixels/clockcycle, 3 textures/pixel (G400MAX 2/1; GF2: 4/2)
    Fillrate 600 MPixels, respectively 1800 MTexels (G400MAX 300/300; GF2: (800/1600)
    T&L unit with 20-30 million polys/sec (GF2:25Mpolys)
    DualChip setup capability

    Do we need more than that? Well maybe we don't (especially we who don't play much games, although running Winamp's graphic equaliser at a huge window with Alpha Blending - win2k only - would not be bad at all :-) ).

    But maybe Matrox does (need more I mean. That parenthesis ruined my comment :-) ).

    Would love to hear from you!
    George Diamantopoulos

    [This message has been edited by GD (edited 03 July 2000).]
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  • #2
    Time will tell. I think they will need a faster cycle, and faster still, to keep up. There's no headroom, no time to make an error or to allow for distraction. And it goes for all parties, for M and her competition.

    It's all about constantly lubing the internal machine and being able to keep innovating at an always faster pace, resulting in a constant emission of new products with a short time to market. And the winner's reward is to stay alive and get the whining customers. It's a challenging market.

    Let's wait and see how the G800 series are performing in real life. Then we'll talk again.
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    • #3
      OK I think you're right. My point however is that Matrox often announces products with killer specs, which could be successful in the market if they were released at that very moment... I hope this won't be the case with the G800 (Well higher-end specs wouldn't be a problem anyway :-) )

      It's not that I want to blame Matrox or anything I am just anxious that MY graphics card manufacturer is successful! (OK my friends' comments might be a reason as well... They own a GF :-P lol)

      I know you can perfectly understand me :-)

      GD
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      • #4
        First of all, Matrox hasn't "Released" any specs. Everything so far is hearsay AFAIK.

        Secondly FSAA is pretty much worthless because you take one hell of a hit by enabling it from the benchmarks I've seen.

        Finally, I like the Matrox release schedule. it keeps me from buying a new card every 4-6 months.

        All I ask is that my system runs the games that I play. The G400 is still fully capable of running everything I throw at it. I see no reason to upgrade until I hit something that needs it.

        amish
        Despite my nickname causing confusion, I have no religious affiliations.

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        • #5
          Hi electric!

          Well I know Matrox has not released any specs (although this is a policy which I do not fully agree with). I know my arguments do not rely on real facts, I am talking hypothetically after all. The real reason for this post, I guess, is that I want to share my thoughts with someone anyway (we humans are said to be political and social creatures... although there are many examples out there to prove the opossite lol :-) )

          Anyway you may be right about FSAA. However it does look good and someone could find the "golden cut" between FPS and quality. But I still do think we should wait for the final silicon and drivers (final and drivers... isn't that an oxymoron? :-) )

          About the matrox release scedule... Well judging from your words, I cannot understand how a new card release from matrox would force you into buying it, since you are already satisfied with your G400 i mean. There are many Millenium I, II & G200 users out there I suppose (hey I even have a cirus logic graphics card somewhere :-) ).

          However I do understand the feel of not having the latest hardware (or software) (that's the reason for my unhappiness after all lol - just kidding :-) )

          Maybe everything is so unimportant after all... You might even have stopped reading from the first line!!! Did you? :-)

          cya all
          GD
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          • #6
            Actually, while I am a new MURcer (I shamly say that I once was... an NVdiot...), I just think that there are somthing "Magical" About Matorx. I can' just put my finger on it, but having a Matrox card just "FEELS" Better somehow....
            interesting...


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            • #7
              I suspect "G800" (if there is to be such a beast) will be FAR more than what we've been waiting for
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              • #8
                Keep teazing Kruzan, keep teazn'. After a year with my G400 it's still holding the fort.

                Mark F.

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                • #9
                  I totally agree with DataOrb, it feels special, expecially when showing your friends the EMBM demos all of my friends go, oh cool, it looks like water. Or oh my god it's shiny.
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                  • #10
                    yeah, I agree too with DataOrb...

                    with the G400, you don't feel a need to 'evengalise' the hardware world, since you just know that if a person who wants to buy a new video card, will go for the G400 if he knows all the facts....

                    And I still feel sorry for all those people who buy good quality 19" monitors, just to connect them to a GeFarce or GeFarce GTS in the end.... they just don't know what they are missing...

                    oh by the way.. if you ever go to a different forum, and you encounter a nVidiot thread (good chance you will), post the following:

                    - What do you get when you put N nVidia whores in a circle and each one pats the person on their right on the back and says "nVidia wins 3dfx and Michael Knight any day of the week!" ?

                    - You get N people with a boosted ego, and no-one loses anything; keep up the good work, boys!

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                    • #11
                      OK I give up lol

                      I have to admit I was forced to exchange my G400 for a GeForce for about a week, during which I really suffered. I'm never going to buy a non Matrox card anyway I would just feel a lot better should the G800 be *the one and only* chipset (as the G400 has been for me anyway). Of course then I'll have to talk my father into buying it :-))).

                      Thanks for this really interesting dialogue (which is not necessarily to stop here :-) )

                      Good afternoon all!
                      George D.
                      PC Power and Cooling Deluxe Chrome Tower case and 300W ATX Power Supply, Dual Slot1 440GX AMI MegaRUM II motherboard, 128MB of ECC 100 MHz SDRAM, PII 450 MHz, Matrox G400 MAX, Seagate Cheetah 9,1GB @ primary SCSI Ultra2 Wide controller, Hitachi 4x DVD-ROM, Panasonic (Matsushita) LS-120 Drive, Terratec EWS64XL sound card.

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                      • #12
                        Matrox doesn't have to have the fastest card in the world, but obviously they need to have something people will buy.. somewhere.

                        They can go for a lower price, better quality, more features or faster speed. Faster seems like a doomed target with NVIDIA 2 laps ahead of everybody else and still racing towards total domination. Quality is something, but you have to have enough "better" quality than the other guy to make people give a crap, not just good quality in of itself. Lowering prices is a losing game, the GTX MX shows NVIDIA is intent on closing off that avenue of competition rather quickly and they have more spare cash than they know what to do with using it to kill competition is easy for them. Features, NVIDIA has lots of those listed on the side of the box, whether they ever get used is another matter. What's left is driver quality really, and according to some people, NVIDIA has that too. (I find that hard to believe myself as a two time former NVIDIA card owner) There is always the scumbag factor, but I don't think many people consider NVIDIA to be any worse than any other company or they don't care.

                        I think any company that wants to be a player in the video card market is going to have to out NVIDIA, NVIDIA. I have no reason to be optimistic about Matrox at all.
                        They are polar opposites, the toroise and the hare. I don't know what kind of rabbit Matrox is going to pull out of it's hat but it better be a fast one, NVIDIA is breeding them like, er, well, rabbits.

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                        • #13
                          Hope it helps...



                          :-))))))

                          Anyway I do agree with you himself at every point :-).
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                          • #14
                            I agree with himself myself.

                            But why would he name himself himself?
                            I wouldn't name myself myself myself.

                            Hmm...very confusing

                            /Kim
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                            • #15
                              I think that in order for the G800 to be a commercial success It's got to have something revolutionary (like the G400 did with EMBM and dual monitor support). Speed I think will no longer be an issue as long as it is sufficient at all times, what really does it matter if it is slower at 120 fps than a competitors is at 150 fps say.

                              Let's hope that Matrox produce a stable driver from the start. I for one will think about upgrading my G200!

                              I will also know that by continuing to buy Matrox I can be happy to know that I am still in the company of all you other MURCers!!

                              Vic

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