G800

[Borg]

all taht..OFCOURSE !..specialy FRAME RATE in 32bit HIGH RES. with T&L & EMBM @ HIGHEST settings...but i think that no Matrox product can outperform any Nvidias in FPS matter...my oppinion based upon m3D , G200 , G400MAX,Riva 128,RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2,GFORCE ..

did you guys heard that S3 will no longer develop or make GRAPH.ACCELLERATORS..well its ower with SAVAGE2000..& who is left ??

NVIDIA,MATROX,STB,ATI,PREMEDIA who develops new chips...who is gonna stay ???

[Joel]

Hey Borg,

Well I guess the ultimate question is what do you think is the bare minimum fps that a card has to produce for good gameplay, and I'm not talking about an average from a benchmark?

The reason I say this is because take two numbers, lets say 10 and 100. If you average those you get 55 but that 10 is not real good as far as frame rates go, is it? Now take two more numbers 40 and 50. Average those and you come out with 45. If you compare the two sets numbers based on averages then the first set looks better, when in reality the second set is actually better overall. That IMO is the strenght of the Matrox cards, more consistent frame rates.

Joel

[Himself]

I think that's more a strength of the geforce than any Matrox card you care to name. It would be great if you could get a card that's really like that, I think it's more like to be a Kyro than a G400 though.

[swr]

So what's the best guess at when the G800 will hit the shelves? Two months? Four? Six?</P>

I'm still sitting on my G200 (should've bought a G400 but wasn't expecting 3D support in Linux and BSD to arrive so soon after). I've been very happy with my G200 but it's time to upgrade. So I'm trying to figure out if I can hold off for the G800.</P>

If I wait and it takes many months, I'll kick myself for sticking with Q3A at low res low FPS when I should've just bought a new card.</P>

On the other hand, if I buy a new card and the G800 appears soon after, I'll kick myself for not waiting.</P>

[xortam]

My instinct tells me the first of the G800 family cards will be here before the holidays (xmas) ... maybe late Oct., early Nov. Be prepared to order through the Matrox on-line store if you want one right away.

[paulcs]

Well, the GeForce SDK was kind of notorious for lackluster minimum framerate performance and was bettered by some previous generation boards in this respect. If you stuck a "2" or even, I believe, a "DDR" after "GeForce," the story would have been different. Solid minimum framerate performance is a little discussed strength of the G400, and a fairly well-known weakness of the GeForce.

What's unfortunate is that minimum framerates are a fairly difficult thing to measure unless the benchmarking software specifically supports it, but how slow you go is probably far more important that how fast you go. I think the G400 held up pretty well against the GeForce for this reason. It's what came after that's troubling from the perspective of many Matrox fans.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[Haig]

but why so many mystry about it..

Because tech supp won't acknowledge or deny any future products with our PR dep't releasing an official chip sepc/product spec first.

Once any of these specs get released on our site, you can ask our sales dep't as many questions as you like.

Haig

[DuRaNgO]

save your pennies boys, time to show the real "force"
jim


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Matrox Fusion Plus F800 AGP with 64mb fcram
Maxtor 15.3gb 7,200rpm
SB Live!
Winblows 98se & DX7
and 384k DSL!

[Himself]

paulcs,

You mean SDR, not SDK.

Ok, so an average number doesn't tell everything, but I've noticed that the minimum numbers of a card with a high average also tend to be higher than cards with a lower average. I've yet to see a magic solution that has dramaticaly less variation in frame rates than the rest, they are all pretty close in graphs. It's all about the game engine, the perfect video card wouldn't give you flat frame rates, all you can do is make the video card faster to remove that ONE issue from the bottleneck. So the variation is larger with some cards, good way to stop that is to turn on vsync, that way the frames that take little time to render won't bother you.

I've seen benchmarks comparing the entire geforce lineup against a Radeon and a V5 and the Geforce had the higher minimum numbers in I think it was MDK 2. So in the past, a g400 beat a TNT 2, and probably beat a G256 at some driver level once upon a time, it's over a year old now, that fact isn't all that interesting is it?

Whenever a company says you don't need something, it's a bad sign.

--
"Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stock up here." -Jack Nicholson

[paulcs]

SDK, SDR, DDR, SLI, IRQ. One mistroke of the keyboard and you're saying something entirely different. (Same finger, wrong hand, in this case.)

I wouldn't be surprized, himself. The Detonator series has improved quite a bit.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[This message has been edited by paulcs (edited 10 September 2000).]

[paulcs]

Jim, that's quite the PIII 700 you have there. Could you get a $185.00 CPU to run any faster?

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[Thundrchez]

From DuRaNgO's sig: Matrox Fusion Plus F800 AGP with 64mb fcram

So the Fusion flavor is going to be called an F800, eh? and 64MB of fcram? tasty!

Are you jerkin us around, or are you violating your NDA?

[DuRaNgO]

Paul, I'm trying like heck

woops, how'd that get in my sig!
jim

[dZeus]

he's just joking

read the 250+ post thread about us speculating what the G800 will be...