G450's Honor

[paulcs]

What LAMF meant by "too many Starbucks" was that maybe he had too much coffee this morning.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[LAMFDTK]

I might as well keep it up I am just now eating lunch and I am bitched out;

"It's the first time i see someone who take a another way to bench card."

Yea use somone elses numbers and apply some math....

The G450 is a great card for the $$ and needs no Honor to be restored. I do not have a G450 to test here but I have a Max and a Vision Tech "no frills" 107.00 card and must say that the MX plays games at a much higher rate of resolution and color depth compared with the G400 max. It is a great card for the money. As soon as we can find a G450 to compare we will. If you want to write a review and make opinions like you do in this piece at least have the product.

"By the way, there is nothing wrong with buying stuff from nvidia "
Yea this is true buy what you want. I am still a Matrox fan. The company has one really cool employee, Haig.

[Thundrchez]

The benchmark scores from places like Tom's Hardware give the illusion that they compare image quality. They run the same test multiple times for various resolutions, color depths, and detail levels. This gives the reader the impression that all video cards look the same for each respective test, but they don't!

nVidia has been known to take shortcuts. If you need a reminder, take trilinear filtering. Matrox does it the right way, and it takes a performance penalty. nVidia cheats and does trilinear interpolation, and it has a very small hit on performance. The Matrox cards look much, much better. Seeing is believing.

[The PIT]

Dzeus oops sorry for some dozy reason I thought you wrote the article. Must be too early in the morning and lack of sleep overnight.

[Barbarella]

LAMFDTK :

you misrepresent what i write and mean, and you know that. it's 'unfair (?) not cool.

you don't like this article. Ok. But, i a matrox's fan too (i mean the card) and i don't like the way card are actually benchmarked (3Dmark2000, Q3, etc ..). So if we could set a procedure that show the interaction between quality and speed it could be good for ours sweat G200/G400



[This message has been edited by Barbarella (edited 13 September 2000).]

[LAMFDTK]

. it's 'unfair (?) not cool

You are right I am being a jerk. I agree with the visuals . Its like testing a Monitor ... Its what you see that matters.

And Barbarella, I have always loved you since the first time I saw the movie. I was at a drive-in with Nancy Richardsen and she looked ugly compared to you.

[xortam]

This image quality issue can be so subjective. The images need to be compared side by side with a critical eye to discern differences between close competitors. I question the equipment people use outside the video card when conducting these reviews. The monitor and BNC cable must be of top notch quality to assure that they aren't masking quality problems. Are reviewers using multiple systems using identical monitors that are calibrated to exactly match one another? Are they using one monitor through a switch box? If so, the switch box is corrupting the signal to some degree (great degree if cheap manual switch). A single monitor test-bed also requires an excellent memory for details when comparing these images. Any testing must be done with identical ambient lighting between tests to fairly compare color temperature, etc. Does any review out there live up to these standards?

[Barbarella]

LAMFDTK

just for your eyes

[Joel]

No, it just goes and proves the point that us Matrox veterans have been saying for a long time. That if playing games and running benchmarks is all you do then the nVidia card is probably your best bet but if the best image quality and most feature pack card is what you need then there is no other than Matrox. Having been using the G450 for about two weeks now I can say that this is a very capable card, even for 3D gaming, for it's intended market. Plus there is nothing like being able to watch a DVD movie or listen to a music DVD on my TV via the s-video connection while still browsing the internet on my primary monitor at 1024x768x32bit.

Joel

[LAMFDTK]

I bet she thinks that is a "Big Gun"....

[isochar]

For those of you that care, Madonion.com has screenshots of S3TC working on a GF2 in UT.
http://www.madonion.com/news/?newsar...009/2000091320

It's amazing how much more detail the S3TC gives...

[DuRaNgO]

Too bad they don't have a shot with S3's version to show how inferior Nvidea's really is
Oh wait, here we are:
looky here!

[Himself]

DuRaNgO,

To quote a line from the game "Beneath a Steel sky". "It's crap, son."

[Grego]

I think the really interesting part is that the geforce apparently have big? problems with some older classic games, I would not be without an occasional shootout in Outlaws, which is a great game (not graphically), whats the point of buying the latest and greatest if you have to ditch half of your games in the process?



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System:
Asus A7V rev. 1.01b
AMD Thunderbird 800@800
SBLive retail with liveware 3.0
Matrox g400 MAX
LG Flatron 795FT 17# monitor
IBM 13.5 GB 7200 hdd
Pioneer 103-s dvdrom
Win98 2nd edition
directx 7.0a

[DuRaNgO]

My thoughts exactly, when I looked at those nVidea shots

Son? I wish I was young enough to be a son
jim