G400's... and why I'm not pro-nvidia

[Joel]

Plus the title of the thread was "Sloved ALL my G400 problems" leading people to believe that there was actually pertinent information about the G400 for those that don't have the money to throw at a problem.

Joel

[Salmonius]

Hi pchoi, on a note not related to Matrox hardware, I suggest that you get a pIII-700 and overclock it to 933MHz on a a CUSL2 board. It worked so good for me that I decided to get another mobo (aopen Micro-ATX 815 this time) with a pIII-700 for my girlfriend.

Anyway, I can say that the only problem that I have ever had with Matrox at this point was the g200 not working on my MVP3 mobo when I was using PD higher than 5.41. Matrox knew about this issue and never really fixed it unless it has been in the last few weeks. Other than that though, I have no complaint, just praises because of their support forums.

[Brian R.]

Xortam: Check!

[pchoi]

*Sigh* I said in my earlier post I had no intention of this of becoming flamebait. I come here to relieve my headaches, and perhaps someone else's as well. Now I realize that most of you dislike Nvidia and care very much for your Matrox cards, I know I've touched upon a very touchy issue for all of you. How must I put this? I am *sorry* for posting flamebait. Is there a word for people who are attracted to flamebait?

What DosFreak said was exactly right. To remain ignorant of a problem is pretty dumb. If there's a solution, any solution out there, then it should be analyzed for its usefulness and effectiveness.

My point was not to tell everyone I bought a GeForce. If I came in here and said I bought a 3Dfx V5, then you would say I came in here and told everybody I bought a V5. I can see that there's no logic to your post other than to point out the obvious. I tried to end this conversation on a good note but you are simply adding to frustration to a tense conversation. I'm sure no one cares I bought a GeForce, but I'm sure someone would like to know that perhaps struggling with a problem that can or cannot be fixed would be a waste of time.

In this case, I believe HedsPaz posted "a completely pointless comment". It does nothing but to further pursue an mistake that I've already apologized to. What more do you want? I notice people keep going back to my original post (which *is* flamebait, but completely ignore *this* post, which is *not* flamebait, or at least I don't think it is).

I also did not accuse Matrox of designing bad hardware. xortam, do you really want me to say that? I never said that but the whole argument always turns in that direction, it's almost as if you want me to say it, so you can accuse me further. Is that the mindset most of you have? I come to the conclusion that *my* G400 has inherent problems, not the rest of you. Again you are twisting what I said that the into something like the "G400 was a bad piece of hardware". I LIKE what the G400 has done for me since I bought it, but it was simply too problematic for me to continue using it. I also believed there were others out there that had the same problems as me! However, now I see why they would not post their problems here. Perhaps some of you do offer genuine help, but to say that they fixed the problem by switching cards... that is suicide in here.

One last thing: xortam, I am not an engineer for Matrox cards. From this standpoint, I am a consumer, if something does not work for me, do I spend hours trying to figure something out that tech support should be doing instead? I gave it my best shot, I really didn't HAVE to, but I did and it didn't work. My "best shot" might not mean a lot to you, but it's all I got, and I don't think any of you are willing to actually take my system and try and solve the problem. Let's not discuss the differences between IT and engineering. I come from both disciplines (my full degree is Computer Science with a minor in Electrical Engineering) but come on, this is consumer hardware. I'm not at the office and I'm not about to argue semantics with you.

I don't know, having a halfway decent discussion in here without resorting to "flaming" in here seems impossible. You all seem to think in one direction.

I say this again: I am *sorry* for posting flamebait. Let's not continue this further.

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[Hunsow]

A SPANKING!



Hmmmm, it looks like he's enjoying that.

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[DentyCracker]

Hunsow you are a sick individual
Actually really seems to be enjoying it though

[Brian R.]

I will chime in.

Informing people that replacing a part fixes a problem is ridiculous. G400 or no G400. I own four different graphics cards, including a nVidia card so don't think I care what card you bought to get rid of (not solve) your problem.

If you solve a problem by inovative thinking, please tell us. Even if it involves totally revamping the G400 software and hardware. No product is perfect. Telling us the fix involves spending money to buy a new card is trivial. That's like telling someone with a lock-up problem to phone Dell and buy a new computer. Not news worthy. Don't waste our time with purchases. Show us you can think.

MHO

[pchoi]

Again, another post that dismisses all the points except for the ones which turn the blame again on myself. I'm beginning to think I'm writing to walls here.

I *did* try to solve it and it didn't work. Living with the problem is not a solution either. I hardly call that innovative. And I'm telling you what I did to fix it after I had basically tried everything I've read from this board, the Matrox tech support board, and that "G400 Win2k bugs page". My "solution" was to get a new board. How can that be trivial? It got rid of my problems, didn't it?

You know what? You may say that buying new hardware is trivial, but reformatting and reinstalling to me seems trivial as well. Any bozo can "deltree c:" or "format c: /q" so where's the innovation there? And don't tell me I didn't try that either, because I lost a good installation of Win2k to reinstalling.

In the case of consumer hardware troubleshooting: I don't think any fix is "innovative". Where's the innovation in fixing a consumer piece of hardware, which you don't even have hardware specs to? I'd call it more "research and a little bit of luck". If you had the specs to the G400 and the source code to the drivers, then you could rewrite those to *solve* the problem. THAT would be innovative. Moving cards around PCI slots, rearranging IRQs, reinstalling drivers, registry hacks here and there, that's innovative? I don't think so. I'm sorry but you are close-minded.

After all, I believe the only true innovation can come from Matrox when it releases new drivers and hardware, such as the TGL, which helped boost the performance in OGL games. How can we be innovative when we are only consumers? Save it for the office.

[Rags]

You said there were inherent problems in the G400, because you couldn't get it to work. We know otherwise. I have had my G400 on 8 different motherboards, and 5 different OS's. Never had a lick of problem other than some minor driver bugs. Just because you weren't "innovative" or "informed" enough to be able to solve your problem doesn't justify giving out bogus advice.


All in all, I think you just need to shut up

Rags

[Joel]

Rags is right the G400 does not have "inherent hardware problems". As a beta tester testing beta, as well as release, drivers I should have more problems than anyone but I don't. And I would say that 99% of the ppl that comes here asking for help gets their problems sloved. That is when they come to us in a respectable manner. The other remain 1% may have an actual hardware problem that an RMA from Matrox takes care of. Guess you didn't think of that. So unless you were the enginneer that designed the G400 then you have no right to proclaim that the G400 has "inherent hardware problems".

Joel

[DuRaNgO]

Joel,
I'd like to repost your reply as it states our stance very clearly:

Here's a few points to all this:
1: This is a Matrox forum.

2: What OS are you using?

3: This is a Matrox forum.

4: What drivers are you using?

5: This is a Matrox forum.

6: It's not what you said it's how you said it.

7: This is a Matrox forum.

8: What are your IRQ assignments?

9: This is a Matrox forum.

10: Of course the G400 is going to run slow if bus mastering is turned off.

11: This is a Matrox forum.

12: We already know that the GeFarce is faster if your into counting fps.

13: This is a Matrox forum.

Joel

jim

[pchoi]

Why do you insist on going back to my old post, WHICH IS NOW LOCKED? Again and again you people only take points which suit your argument, which is very illogical. You might as well ignore what I've written and believe that the world is still flat! I looked at the post again and noticed I worded it in a way that made it sound like *all* G400 cards have inherent problems but I only meant mine, must have slipped a word when I was typing. You're not even replying to my post, you're replying to that other post! WHY? I'm sorry but the quote "inherent hardware problems" doesn't even come from this post. You are definitely being stubborn in trying to justify SOMETHING, but I'm not sure what.

But now that I think again, maybe I was right after all. How many people have had to force their G400's into AGP 1X mode because they can't run 2X without crashing? Or without busmastering because that also causes crashes? What about the G400 AGP4X cards that cannot run *AS ADVERTISED* at AGP4X? What about the issues some people have with the G400 being unstable at lower IRQs, and only stable at higher IRQ's? Can you honestly tell me that there are fixes and solutions for these, other than "no sorry, they don't work, I guess you'll have to use something slower". Are these not "inherent problems"?

I for one have been respectable. I don't believe the people responding have though. As I speculated before, this forum is very biased. I thought it would have no impact on the technical nature of the subject, but perhaps I was wrong on that count. When someone starts forming a sentence along the lines of "Maybe you should shut up" they are not listening anymore and only care to validate their position and/or their pride. Either respond intelligently (which you have NOT done) or close the thread (I believe this is the moderators responsibility), since I can't and I'm getting sick of the posts consisting of "you're dumb".

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[DuRaNgO]

"you're dumb".

[paulcs]

OK. I think we're just picking on pchoi. He backed off. I suggest we let bygones be bygones.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[pchoi]

Thank you