Another quote for everyone mull over

[Liquid Snake]

Originally posted by Joel:
Our NDAs expire 5 years from the date of issue and they are related to the drivers we test. So therefore Matrox doesn't tell us anything about new hardware until they are ready for us to test it, by then everyone knows what is going on. Sorry about this guys but we have been speculating right along with y'all and as Maggie said 'adding fuel to the fire'. Hasn't this been fun?

Originally posted by Kruzin:
The BB team that hangs here at MURC are DRIVERS beta boys. We don't get unreleased hardware, and next to no info on it. I learned more from the G450 press release than I did from the beta program. That's not to say we don't know anything at all...just that much of our vision of what's to come is based neaarly as much on speculation as the rest of you. We did not get our G400s from Matrox until they where "officially released" (granted, ours came from batch #1, well before Joe Public could get them).

Originally posted by Joel:
"I am under a NDKA, "No, Don't Know Anything"."
Oh so true.

I also think that Joel and the other BBs know something. Though they deny that they know anything, that they are only speculating along with us. And I think Ant knows something as well. Hmm...

Originally posted by Ant:
I'm not under any NDA, Matrox won't give me any info but my Far East contacts have

Oh, send ME the money! I'm still in high school!

[This message has been edited by Liquid Snake (edited 25 November 2000).]

[Sisyfos]

Aww, I just thought the joke was oooooold.

[paulcs]

I'm grappling with the concept of Matrox falling behind and struggling to catch up. It almost presupposes a rational pattern of behavior. Something akin to a schedule. It seemed to me that the G400 appeared out of the blue, the Max just fast enough to be faster than the TNT2 Ultra, after years of producing great 2D and goofy 3D boards. Over a year later, they release a board that's actually slower than the G400.

And they've set a trend!! Creative has just released a GeForce2 MX board with a 64-bit DDR memory bus, and it's reported to be slower than the SDR MX boards. Early next year, ATI will release the Radeon VE, a 64-bit DDR board that will most likely be slower than the already bandwidth-challenged Radeon SDR. And don't get me started about the Voodoo4. What a great idea!

All that new technology and innovation, just to go slower. Soon we'll all be dusting off our Voodoo2's.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[PR-man]

hehe well im a BetaBoy and I can attest to the fact that im totally clueless LOL

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Celeron II 566@ 952 on a Abit BE6 Rev 1, 128 Pc100, Matrox G450 32 DH, SBlive Value, Supra Express 56i ISA, all running on Win98FE with other odds and ends

[Snowfly]

I feel for sorry for the people who bought a geforce sdr then a ddr then a gts then a gts ultra, now that DX8 with T&L support has been released they can get the benefit of spending all that cash
But i digress, what I wanted to say was that I would like to play games at a faster frame rate but 90% of my time is in work., and 50fps is plenty fast, and my eyes love this matrox card when im working on a detailed image or writing out code and been staring at a monitor for 7 hours straight.
And I'll be ready for a new card right around March when i get a new motherboard memory cpu and maybe a monitor to....

[isochar]

Only the people who had the cash to spend upgraded everytime nvidia released a new product.

Most people got a Geforce 1 and are waiting to get the NV20 and the other people upgraded to a Geforce 2 from a TNT2.

Remember, nvidias 6 month product cycle makes ALL previous products obsolete, not just nvidia ones...

[paulcs]

OK, let's get all the Beta boys in here. C'mons guys.

Alright, now we'd like you all to swear on the lives of the Matrox Brothers, Orville and Wilbur, that you know nothing about the G800.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[Nappe1]

AAAAAAAAAARRRGGHH!
This is really painfull!

Maybe I should 'delay' my AIW Radeon order. Or should I? Where the H*LL I know??
if I buy it now, I am very pissed off if matrox releases G800 on january.

I have been waiting G800 since july when I upgraded my Cel300A to Slot A Thunderbird Athlon.

Still no one knows what's happening... Please, Please Matrox, tell me is there going to be G800 soon. This waiting is going to take me to little pieces.

[The PIT]

Picking on the betaboys brings back bad memories of old flame wars. If they do know something they're not allowed to say anything and you've just got to accept that.
If you're feeling "pissed" grumble at matrox not them.

[Targon]

Ok, so they can't say anything, but can they answer the, "Should I buy an ATI now, or wait 3 months?" question? That's the trick, I want to stick with Matrox, but I feel that I'm being forced to switch to ATI. So, is there anything in the NDA which tells them they can or cannot recomend switching vid card manufacturers?

[paulcs]

I don't think anyone is picking on the Betaboys. It was the very last thing on my mind, and I hope they don't interpret anything I've written as antagonistic.

Targon, think about it this way. If Matrox were to announce the G800 tomorrow, you'd probably have a substantial wait before getting your hands on it. Also, your choice of the All-in-Wonder leads one to suspect you'd want something like a G800 Marvel or a G800 eTV. That might take even longer.

In addition, Matrox has a long history of shipping product well after the announced release date. And then they've had problems with meeting demand, which also tends to cause delays. I heard this happened with the Millenium II, and I know it happened with the G200 and the G400 (the Max in particular).

It could take a while.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[This message has been edited by paulcs (edited 27 November 2000).]

[Maggi]

Originally posted by The PIT:
Picking on the betaboys brings back bad memories of old flame wars. If they do know something they're not allowed to say anything and you've just got to accept that.
If you're feeling "pissed" grumble at matrox not them.

Thank you very much for that little reminder !!!

I couldn't have said it better ...

Cheers,
Maggi[BB]

[Himself]

I don't have any problem with the beta boys, individually, they must get something out of it and I don't begrudge them that. When they use their beta boy status to influence hopes here I look at them as being amateur PR people working for Matrox, to be ignored.

[Rags]

Bah! We like picking on each other, don't we, Himself?

[spoogenet]

One of the joys(?) of the video card market is that there really isn't all that much loyalty. While there appear to be many very loyal Matrox fans, most of the gamers are just looking for the fastest thing on the market, be it from company XYZ or ZYX, they don't care, they just want more frames.

That being said, Matrox isn't necessarily endagered, because if they want to keep up with the gaming market, they just have to release the fastest card on the market *at the time of release* to stick around, and of course make enough of them, and they will sell. That's an advantage they have, and while Nvidia has done a good job taking the market by storm over the past couple years, they have no security in the future unless they continue to make the fastest crap out there.

Sleepy time maybe? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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