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    Howdy, dudes & dudettes !

    During the weekend I found some time and since a few peeps asked for it,
    I made some OCing attempts on my G450 ...

    I used the latest incarnation of Ashley's PowerStrip 3.0 beta and
    was quite pleased with the results.



    Here we go:


    System:
    [*] Asus P2B-S (Rev 1.02)[*] 320MB PC100 SDRAM @ 112MHz FSB[*] Celeron 566 @ 952MHz
    [*] Matrox Millennium G450 DualHead 32MB DDR[*] Powerdesk 6.10.013 (public release)



    default clock values as reported by Powerstrip:[*] 125MHz core & 166(333)MHz memory


    Used benchmark applications:
    [*] 3D Mark 2000 V1.1[*] Wintune (V42)


    I was able to crank that puppy up to incredible
    200MHz memory clock (=400MHz DDR),
    which resulted in 150MHz core clock,
    but that came along with a sever case of pixel-flight,
    i.e. I had false pixels garbling all over my screen ...

    Interestingly, the card did not lockup, so I must
    presume that the core is good for even higher clock speeds.
    (I wonder if MGA Tweak will let us fiddle with clock dividers,
    like for the G400, cos then it could get mighty interesting)

    Avoiding those digital dropouts, made me clock it back to
    180/360MHz memory, which gave me 135MHz core clock (pretty sad,
    if you consider, that I had the core stable @ 150MHz ...)

    Here now some screenies, showing the clock settnigs I used:

    default clock:



    180MHz memory clock:



    200MHz memory clock:



    3D Mark 2000 results in order of 166/180/195MHz memory clock:
    (I had the lower the clock to 195MHz, cos @ 200MHz,
    3D Mark banged out after 2-3 minutes)


    Code:
    [b]
    Width:	1024
    Height:	768
    Depth:	16-Bit
    Buffering:	Triple
    Z-Buffering:	16-Bit
    Refresh Rate:	VSync Off
    Texture Format:	16-Bit
    
    3DMark Result:				2448/2625/2775		3D marks
    CPU Speed:				248/255/245		CPU 3D marks
    Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail:	47,7/50,8/55,1		FPS
    Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail:	33,1/35,3/38,0		FPS
    Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail:	13,9/14,8/15,9		FPS
    Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail:	43,1/46,8/50,2		FPS
    Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail:	37,0/40,2/41,9		FPS
    Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail:	29,2/30,7/30,3		FPS
    Fill Rate (Single-Texturing):		233,5/252,0/274,2	MTexels/s
    Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing):		233,2/251,3/272,7	MTexels/s
    High Polygon Count (1 Light):		2344/2407/2534		KTriangles/s
    High Polygon Count (4 Lights):		2348/2321/2526		KTriangles/s
    High Polygon Count (8 Lights):		2352/2207/2416		KTriangles/s
    8MB Texture Rendering Speed:		142,9/152,3/166,8	FPS
    16MB Texture Rendering Speed:		137,7/146,5/160,3	FPS
    32MB Texture Rendering Speed:		109,5/115,5/126,4	FPS
    64MB Texture Rendering Speed:		97,6/101,1/103,9	FPS
    Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass):		57,8/62,5/68,3		FPS
    Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass):		76,2/82,4/89,8		FPS
    Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass):		130,1/140,4/151,7	FPS
    Bump Mapping (Environment):		66,5/71,6/76,3		FPS[/b]

    Now some Wintune results in order of default/180/190/200MHz memory clock:

    Code:
    [b]
    1024x768@16bits/pixel
    
    142/164/169/173 Video MPixels/s
    126/137/143/150 OpenGL MPixels/s
    198/210/221/237 Direct3D MPixels/s
    354/385/389/387 Direct3D Null driver score
    145/149/150/150 Direct3D Primary driver score[/b]
    As you can see by the tables above, the G450 DDR is one heck of an OCer
    and its performance scales pretty well, until the 64bit bus hits the brakes
    (read: pops in as bandwidth bottleneck).

    Btw, some of you might be already wondering what I did to improve my cooling ...
    Well, I just slapped an old P2 fan on top of my G450's heatsink, nothing more.


    Quick final summary:

    default clock 125/166(333) core/memory
    stable up to 135/180(360) core/memory

    core willing to go as high as 150MHz, but being held back by its memory,
    which seems to MAX out @ 180(360)MHz and this might change when
    MGA Tweak fully supports the G450 with apropriate change of dividers.

    So my final conclusion would be that this is an excellent budget card,
    offering all you need for daily work, plus it let's you play basically
    all games at least in low-res (1024 and below) and there's still some
    juice that waits to be activated.

    Last thing that you should keep in mind is that despite it's great
    OCability, it is still not as fast as my MAXed G400 Vanilla was.


    That's it for now and I guess this looks a bit different to the findings that
    Tommy posted a few days ago ...


    Cheers,
    Maggi

    PS: I knew I wouldn't make it without any typos in first place ... d'oh !

    [This message has been edited by Maggi (edited 18 December 2000).]
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  • #2
    Good job Markus
    Athlon Thunderbird 1.1Ghz@1.2~1.3+GHz Socket A 256Kb,Asus A7V dipswitches,GlobalWin FOP32-1 heatsink,GlobalWin 802 Advance ATX Case, 17" Sony Multiscan 200PST,384MB Crucial PC133 CAS=2,ATI Radeon 32Mb DDR,(Matrox Millenium G400 MAX 32MB 5ns SGRAM),IBM Deskstar 75GXP 15Gb UltraATA/100, Quantum Firebal EL 10.2Gb,Hewlett Packard DeskJet 970Cxi,Epson Perfection 1240U Scanner,Sound blaster Live!,Cambridge Soundworks 5.1,Creative PC-DVD 5X,CDR-RW Ricoh MP7040S@MP7060S(Tweaked from 4x--->6x with no problem),Adaptec SCSI 2920C,Diamond SupraExpress 56e PRO,Iomega Zip Drive.

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    • #3
      Thanx, Alessandro !

      It was pretty much fun and reminded me of the glory days of OCing my former Revision-5 Mystique G200 ...
      Despite my nickname causing confusion, I am not female ...

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      • #4
        Now if only the morons at Madonion had a G450 option in their database, so that you could post it!!

        [This message has been edited by alessandro (edited 18 December 2000).]
        Athlon Thunderbird 1.1Ghz@1.2~1.3+GHz Socket A 256Kb,Asus A7V dipswitches,GlobalWin FOP32-1 heatsink,GlobalWin 802 Advance ATX Case, 17" Sony Multiscan 200PST,384MB Crucial PC133 CAS=2,ATI Radeon 32Mb DDR,(Matrox Millenium G400 MAX 32MB 5ns SGRAM),IBM Deskstar 75GXP 15Gb UltraATA/100, Quantum Firebal EL 10.2Gb,Hewlett Packard DeskJet 970Cxi,Epson Perfection 1240U Scanner,Sound blaster Live!,Cambridge Soundworks 5.1,Creative PC-DVD 5X,CDR-RW Ricoh MP7040S@MP7060S(Tweaked from 4x--->6x with no problem),Adaptec SCSI 2920C,Diamond SupraExpress 56e PRO,Iomega Zip Drive.

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        • #5
          By the way, in my own quest of o/c I managed
          4496 3DMarks with my MAX
          http://www.madonion.com/compare.shtml?1056053
          Athlon Thunderbird 1.1Ghz@1.2~1.3+GHz Socket A 256Kb,Asus A7V dipswitches,GlobalWin FOP32-1 heatsink,GlobalWin 802 Advance ATX Case, 17" Sony Multiscan 200PST,384MB Crucial PC133 CAS=2,ATI Radeon 32Mb DDR,(Matrox Millenium G400 MAX 32MB 5ns SGRAM),IBM Deskstar 75GXP 15Gb UltraATA/100, Quantum Firebal EL 10.2Gb,Hewlett Packard DeskJet 970Cxi,Epson Perfection 1240U Scanner,Sound blaster Live!,Cambridge Soundworks 5.1,Creative PC-DVD 5X,CDR-RW Ricoh MP7040S@MP7060S(Tweaked from 4x--->6x with no problem),Adaptec SCSI 2920C,Diamond SupraExpress 56e PRO,Iomega Zip Drive.

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          • #6
            Excellent score, but the link you posted refers to a cookie that sits only on your own harddisk ...

            Better do a screenshot and post that one in here.
            Despite my nickname causing confusion, I am not female ...

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            • #7


              [This message has been edited by alessandro (edited 18 December 2000).]
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              • #8
                Sorry for whining,

                but why you benchmarking at 16 bpp

                that´s only for yesterdays tech.

                rubank

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                • #9
                  np, Rubank ...

                  I used it, cos 3D Marks's default benchmark is also using 16bpp and also because I didn't want to stumble into bandwidth limitations.

                  Remember, this thread is about OCing the G450 and not about its performance in general.

                  I you want me to, I could run a couple of tests in 32bpp too.

                  Cheers,
                  Maggi
                  Despite my nickname causing confusion, I am not female ...

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                  • #10
                    alessandro, would you rerun 3Dfarq. I'd love to see the fillrate along with your currently presented #'s. Thx
                    "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Seuss

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                    • #11
                      Agreed. He done the nvidiot thing of skipping some of the tests to get a higher benchmark. I bet he does't even make 3600

                      ** Being whopped by a ten year old at quake 2!!!! ARgg!

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                      • #12
                        Wrong, only the 6 gaming tests count in the final score. Try it yourself.

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                        • #14
                          Maggi,

                          That isn't included in the final score either.

                          Just for fun, here are my V3 scores while downloading a file and running RC5. Note the slower cpu, the amount of free ram, the lack of TCL hardware option, etc.

                          TEMPLATE
                          Display:
                          Type: Internal
                          Width: 1024
                          Height: 768
                          Depth: 16-Bit
                          Buffering: Triple
                          Z-Buffering: 16-Bit
                          Refresh Rate: VSync Off
                          Texture Format: 16-Bit

                          Options:
                          CPU Optimization: AMD Athlon(tm)

                          RESULTS
                          Platform: Internal
                          3DMark Result: 2527 3D marks
                          CPU Speed: 157 CPU 3D marks
                          Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail: 50.9 FPS
                          Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail: 35.9 FPS
                          Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail: 13.8 FPS
                          Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail: 52.6 FPS
                          Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail: 36.0 FPS
                          Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail: 21.4 FPS
                          Fill Rate (Single-Texturing): 157.1 MTexels/s
                          Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing): 307.4 MTexels/s
                          High Polygon Count (1 Light): 2332 KTriangles/s
                          High Polygon Count (4 Lights): 2117 KTriangles/s
                          High Polygon Count (8 Lights): 1820 KTriangles/s
                          8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 133.4 FPS
                          16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 130.0 FPS
                          32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 103.9 FPS

                          SYSTEM
                          Software Versions:
                          Windows Version Windows 4 A , Build 2222
                          DirectX Version 4.08.00.0400
                          Bios Version Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
                          Bios Date 09/19/00

                          Memory:
                          Total Physical Memory 128MB
                          Free Physical Memory 4MB

                          PROCESSOR
                          CPU Information:
                          Processor Type AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
                          Processor Speed 833MHz
                          Processor Caps Enhanced 3DNow!/MMX

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Himself:
                            Maggi,

                            That isn't included in the final score either
                            ...
                            [/QUOTE]

                            I know, I know, but I'm up to a different topic, since Greebe gave me a hint ...

                            Also, what happened to your 64MB texture rendering score ?
                            Didn't run it ?

                            Cheers,
                            Maggi
                            Despite my nickname causing confusion, I am not female ...

                            ASRock Fatal1ty X79 Professional
                            Intel Core i7-3930K@4.3GHz
                            be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 2
                            4x 8GB G.Skill TridentX PC3-19200U@CR1
                            2x MSI N670GTX PE OC (SLI)
                            OCZ Vertex 4 256GB
                            4x2TB Seagate Barracuda Green 5900.3 (2x4TB RAID0)
                            Super Flower Golden Green Modular 800W
                            Nanoxia Deep Silence 1
                            LG BH10LS38
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