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  • Back to my beloved G400max !!!

    Hello folks,

    I'm a new member here but quite old forum reader and Matrox owner. As a desktop apps user and not gamer at'all i was very pleased using G400max on my business and home computers driving 21" high quality monitors. I never thought to use something else as Matrox gave me the best 2D speed and quality among all video cards i use in my computer life (over than eighteen years). The truth is that i would like to get a G800 or whatever Matrox has under development though.
    Last month i bought an ATI Radeon for a new Win2k workstation i built. Don't ask me why i choose Radeon. I tried to get a G400Max but i could not find one so my only second choice was the "best after" Matrox 2D card.

    Please don't lough yet...

    I know very well ATI's driver support bad reputation as i'm an old Mach32 and Rage owner. I just thought that ATI did try a lot to build their new cards and drivers better than before.

    "MAXIMA MEA CULPA" = "MY BIG MISTAKE"

    I spent $400 for a new retail Radeon 64MB DDR. My first impression was too bad. The card was full of electrolytic capacitors and filtering coils along with famous Radeon ICs. For a moment i suspect that Radeon had serious power regulation problems and they fixed it using all that LC parts. Anyway i continued with installation leaving my bad thoughts.

    I downloaded the last final win2k ATI driver as well as all their "special" beta drivers (leaked from rage3d.com and official from ATI site). I connected my EIZO/Nanao T962 21" monitor using pro class BNC cable and i powered on the new computer...

    After some driver troubles i finished the video setup driving the monitor with 1600x1200x32 @ >90Hz. Quality was far better than NVidia powered cards but worst than Matrox. Wait a minute, what the hell is that ? My screen is FLICKERING and has shimmering problems I connected a Sony F500R but the problem was still there.
    After some emails, phones, rage3d.com forum posts i entered some DAC trimming keys in registry to fix that shimmering issue. That helped me a lot but it didn't eliminate the problem. I also lost "command prompt" full screen mode with that hack.

    Then i did some usual desktop tasks running applications.
    My impressions ? That card is really garbage. I don't know about games but my applications run almost in half speed than my trusty Matrox.
    Coreldraw 10 was almost unusable though the computer was an ASUS P4@1500Mhz
    Autocad was full of garbage pixels and random lines.
    IE55 and Outlook crashed my computer. Actually it's the first time i shaw win2k crash without recovering or error messages.
    VS6 and my other developent tools had various display problems with missing fonts and random pixels arround.

    Almost anything i tried failed to display properly. I was really ungry. I installed all beta/special drivers including that latest ATI's ones. Different drivers - same problems. BTW i still wait ATI's responce to my email problem reports...
    Their web site sucks. They don't have even a knowledge base or tech faqs or something helpfull. I posted my reports in rage3d.com but they could not help me as people there are just game players and they only care on Quake's FPS.

    Is this really the ATI's best 2D/3D card ? GF2 killer ? Next to nothing 2D performer ?
    Not at all, it's just crap. Full of power regulation problems, driver issues, very very slow in 2D, blurry video and useless VIVO features.

    Last week i finally removed Radeon from my test system and installed my beloved trusty G400Max. What a relief !!!
    Everything runs excellent with the well known Matrox quality and speed.

    So i have a spare and useless Radeon in my drawer. I also have $400 less in my bank account. I took my lesson.
    G400Max is back, and will stay here until Matrox build their future cards.

    Regards

    Sakis

    [This message has been edited by Inray (edited 22 January 2001).]

  • #2
    welcome back prodigal son,you are forgiven!

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    • #3
      the radeon had some problems with monitors that used the triniton crt i think, using rad tweaker fixed this and ended the problem for most if not all.
      Yes ati tech support is bad no doubt but the best place ofr tech support is rage 3d (which ive seen uve used), but u couldnt be more wrong about them they do not care about fps there not nvidiots!!!!


      im sorry that urs failed mine hasnt, but welcome back to the flock

      laterz Oracle

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      P3 600e @ 660 (6*110)
      128mb 100mhz sdram
      abit be6-2
      Radeon 32ddr (biding time till the g800
      voodoo 3 2000 pci (166)
      soundblaster 16pci
      4.3gb seagate udma 33
      15.3 wd udma 66
      creative modem blaster 56k ext
      win me
      ie5
      direct x 8.0
      4013.71

      ....................
      P3 600e @ 660 (6*110)
      128mb 100mhz sdram
      abit be6-2
      Radeon 32ddr (biding time till the g800
      voodoo 3 2000 pci (166)
      soundblaster 16pci
      4.3gb seagate udma 33
      15.3 wd udma 66
      creative modem blaster 56k ext
      win me
      ie5
      direct x 8.0
      4013.71

      ....................

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      • #4
        "Coreldraw 10 was almost unusable though the computer was an ASUS P4@1500Mhz"

        Well, I can understand how you blame the video card, since it does have some driver issues. But to be honest, the Pee4 chip is a POS unless most apps are specially recompiled with SSE2 optimisations. We got P4 1.5GHz test system in at work to do some benching on for our software and cards, and it gets its ass kicked by our Athlon 1.2GHz test bed. Plus the Intel chipset has some major issues with high-bandiwdth pci devices.

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        • #5
          rylan,
          CorelDraw had Radeon specific problems not in general. I have no problem at'all using it with Matrox G400Max. Actually it works very fast and more stable that previous versions. I don't know about win98 or ME but in Win2K it's fine.
          The problems i had with Radeon and Corel were missed menus, cursor, random lines and color bands, out of screen dialog boxes and other funny issues...
          Anyway G400Max works as usual, excellent...

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          • #6
            Ahh.. must be goood ol' ATI's problematic drivers again.

            At least your MAX still shines

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            • #7
              I had the same problem with my old ATI Fury and StarOffice.
              "That's right fool! Now I'm a flying talking donkey!"

              P4 2.66, 512 mb PC2700, ATI Radeon 9000, Seagate Barracude IV 80 gb, Acer Al 732 17" TFT

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              • #8
                i dont see why everyone bashes the radeon, its a good card and excellent substitute for my g400max (its one of the best cards high res\img quality wise)

                ive had it since september and there has been no problems and there is a differce between the rage and the radeon cores /driver sets

                Oracle

                ------------------
                P3 600e @ 660 (6*110)
                128mb 100mhz sdram
                abit be6-2
                Radeon 32ddr (biding time till the g800
                voodoo 3 2000 pci (166)
                soundblaster 16pci
                4.3gb seagate udma 33
                15.3 wd udma 66
                creative modem blaster 56k ext
                win me
                ie5
                direct x 8.0
                4013.71

                ....................
                P3 600e @ 660 (6*110)
                128mb 100mhz sdram
                abit be6-2
                Radeon 32ddr (biding time till the g800
                voodoo 3 2000 pci (166)
                soundblaster 16pci
                4.3gb seagate udma 33
                15.3 wd udma 66
                creative modem blaster 56k ext
                win me
                ie5
                direct x 8.0
                4013.71

                ....................

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                • #9
                  The bashing comes about as soon as one tries to use it in Win2K.

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                  • #10
                    ok but the w2k drivers arnt that bad

                    Oracle

                    ------------------
                    P3 600e @ 660 (6*110)
                    128mb 100mhz sdram
                    abit be6-2
                    Radeon 32ddr (biding time till the g800
                    voodoo 3 2000 pci (166)
                    soundblaster 16pci
                    4.3gb seagate udma 33
                    15.3 wd udma 66
                    creative modem blaster 56k ext
                    win me
                    ie5
                    direct x 8.0
                    4013.71

                    ....................
                    P3 600e @ 660 (6*110)
                    128mb 100mhz sdram
                    abit be6-2
                    Radeon 32ddr (biding time till the g800
                    voodoo 3 2000 pci (166)
                    soundblaster 16pci
                    4.3gb seagate udma 33
                    15.3 wd udma 66
                    creative modem blaster 56k ext
                    win me
                    ie5
                    direct x 8.0
                    4013.71

                    ....................

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                    • #11
                      Radeon drivers are still using Rage128 driverset. They are currently building drivers from the ground-up for Radeon. I'd expect the release of this driver set for the Radeon 2 where they officialy leave support for the Radeon 1 behind like every other card they have ever produced.
                      C:\DOS
                      C:\DOS\RUN
                      \RUN\DOS\RUN

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                      • #12
                        Oh Lordy Lord
                        I just bought a Radeon to replace my beloved G400 but I am unable get the drivers to install in Win2k. I get the following message.

                        "drivers not compatible with display adapter". What is this supposed to mean? I have looked at the ati site and it provided me with a useless answer. On the good side, I have used the radeon in win98 and it is fast with top notch picture quality.
                        As an aside, the company who sold me this card also had at least 3 oem G400 max selling for ukĀ£65. I almost drooled, but seeing as I already have 2 G400'S (one of which is spare), buying one would have been a waste :-)

                        ps my ranting about the Radeon on the MURC may seem pointless but it is home and I'm sure I will get some good advice on how to resolve it ;-)

                        regards MD
                        Interests include:
                        Computing, Reading, Pubs, Restuarants, Pubs, Curries, More Pubs and more Curries

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                        • #13
                          u sure u removed the g400 drivers?
                          i dont know if this applies to win 2k but 1st you should remove drivers>then set the grpahics card to standered pci graphics card> reboot>install the drivers.


                          hope this helps

                          Oracle

                          ------------------
                          P3 600e @ 660 (6*110)
                          128mb 100mhz sdram
                          abit be6-2
                          Radeon 32ddr (biding time till the g800
                          voodoo 3 2000 pci (166)
                          soundblaster 16pci
                          4.3gb seagate udma 33
                          15.3 wd udma 66
                          creative modem blaster 56k ext
                          win me
                          ie5
                          direct x 8.0
                          4013.71

                          ....................
                          P3 600e @ 660 (6*110)
                          128mb 100mhz sdram
                          abit be6-2
                          Radeon 32ddr (biding time till the g800
                          voodoo 3 2000 pci (166)
                          soundblaster 16pci
                          4.3gb seagate udma 33
                          15.3 wd udma 66
                          creative modem blaster 56k ext
                          win me
                          ie5
                          direct x 8.0
                          4013.71

                          ....................

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                          • #14
                            Sorted!
                            I resolved the Radeon problem by installing win2k service pack 1. Now is the painfull bit. installing jbuilder etc and seeing if it works :-)


                            MD
                            Interests include:
                            Computing, Reading, Pubs, Restuarants, Pubs, Curries, More Pubs and more Curries

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