Need to use Component out to TV using G400 max! What cable?

[ccoltas]

I know you can get an SVGA cable that goes to BNC component connectors for some monitors (like mine) but I need one with RCA connectors for a 32D201 JVC TV that has component video input.

Where can I find an SVGA cable that connects to my G400 max and goes to component video RCA's for my JVC TV??

Does it exist? I know I could use S-VIDEO, but since the TV has component, and the equivalent of component video PC cables exist, I thought maybe there's one with RCA'S on it for a TV????

[Rags]

Eh? Your adapter cable that came with your G400 has an RCA video out attatched, no?

Rags

[ccoltas]

I want to connect my Matrox G400 max output into a JVC 32D201 32" TV. I want to connect through the component video inputs. Component video input has Red Green Blue connectors, instead of one composite or one S-video cable.

PC monitors have component like inputs, but they are BNC connectors and have 3 Red Green Blue for video and one H/V and one V (synch connections?).

I don't even know if its possible to do it. I think I'd need a component cable that takes the output of the Matrox card and puts it into Red Green Blue, but each RGB has to retain its H/V and V synch, cause TV's don;t separate them like that, they're just RGB.

Any ideas whether its possible.

Someone suggested something which is probably how i could do it. Get a cable which adapts S-video to component video RGB cables??

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[Rags]

What I am asking you is why don't you just use the yellow RCA in connector on the back of your TV? Or am I missing some greater plan here?

Rags

[xortam]

ccoltas ... you want to avoid using the composite or SVGA connectors on that TV since it supports high resolutions (above NTSC/PAL) and you have DVD component input. You want to go directly from the VGA connector on your Max to the DVD component input on your TV. Many people recommend the Audio Authority 9A60 converter. You can post your question on the AVS HTPC forum and see what those very knowledgeable folks say.

[Ashley]

You would need a converter, not just a cable. Matrox hardware in itself does not support YPbPr direct drive.

[DentyCracker]

Rags, I think he wants to get the purest signal to his TV, which would be component video if available. Personally I think that unless the original signal can be had in component video form, without conversion, it makes no sense. If that TV has S-Video in I would use that and be satisfied.

[xortam]

DentyCracker ... have you seen the difference? Why don't you do some reading on the AVS forums and see what the videophiles say about this?!

[ccoltas]

In my Samsung monitor manual, I saw this one way (out of 3 ways) of connecting VGA signal in reference to the BNC connectors on the back, and it uses only 3 connectors, so i thought that might be the same as the 3 cable DVD component video output:

"Sync-on-Green using 3 cables"
Red
Green+Sync
Blue
NC
NC

Xortam and Ashley have enlightened me that the inputs and outputs are infact different between the Matrox and the Component DVD and TV inputs/outputs. YPbPr direct drive or what ever, is not the format of the video signal coming out of the matrox, and thats what I need so I must use an Audio Authority 9A60 converter for example.

That kinda sucks. I'd rather use the $200.00 CAN it would cost me to buy the converter and invest it in a DVD player that has component outputs. Bummer.

How many lines of resolution does S-video cable provide? How many lines of resolution does Component video provide? Will a converter like the Audio Authority 9A60 provide me with more lines of resolution and better quality than Svideo?

Yes, Rags, the reason I'm trying to use Component video connection to my TV is to acheive the absolute highest resolution and quality of video signal from my Matrox card. Large TV's look bad with low res poor signals. I'm gonna check out those links Zortam, thanks. Looks expensive though. I'm kinda thinking aloud in this post. Thanks for the advice folks.

I'm going to post my question on the Matrox tech site too, since they might have a suggestion also.

For instance, if I got a converter, what resolution would I use to output to my TV?

My TV is not HDTV, (therefore, correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think it is the 480,720 or 1080i, or p spec) It simply has 800 lines of resolution, which is pretty much as high as normal TV's go, as far as I know. Its the highest resolution I have found for a normal TV. The point is my TV has component inputs. All this for $999.00 CAN and i want to take advantage of them.

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[xortam]

NTSC maxes at 450 lines (I can get 450 off of my BUD satellite setup and my SVHS deck records 425 lines). OTA analog NTSC is only 240 lines. S-Video doesn't give you any more lines than composite but is cleaner in that it transports the illuminance and chrominance signals separately (thus being called YC cable). I'm not sure of the max for component but I believe it will handle the max HDTV resolution of 1080p (or better). You should really notice a big improvement with your DVD playback, which will be progressive output vs. most stand-alone players which are interlaced. You'll be able to run your desktop clearly at higher resolutions which will be a huge difference.

[ccoltas]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by xortam:
NTSC maxes at 450 lines (I can get 450 off of my BUD satellite setup and my SVHS deck records 425 lines). OTA analog NTSC is only 240 lines. S-Video doesn't give you any more lines than composite but is cleaner in that it transports the illuminance and chrominance signals separately (thus being called YC cable). I'm not sure of the max for component but I believe it will handle the max HDTV resolution of 1080p (or better). You should really notice a big improvement with your DVD playback, which will be progressive output vs. most stand-alone players which are interlaced. You'll be able to run your desktop clearly at higher resolutions which will be a huge difference.</font>

Are you saying my PC's DVD player output via G400 is better than stand alone DVD players?? What is the best way to hook up my G400 max to my JVC TV and what settings do I use for the "NTSC TV monitor" in matrox settings?:

G400 max outputs:
Composite*
SVGA
S-video

JVC 32D201 inputs:
Composite*
S-video
Component

*(won't use because worse than S-video)

So what do I do? What can i do to get the highest resolution and best quality signal from my G400 to my JVC TV?

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[xortam]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by ccoltas:

Are you saying my PC's DVD player output via G400 is better than stand alone DVD players??</font>

Yes, unless you purchase a very expensive progressive scan stand-alone player (only became available recently).

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">
What is the best way to hook up my G400 max to my JVC TV and what settings do I use for the "NTSC TV monitor" in matrox settings?</font>

The TV will appear as a second monitor. You'll hook it up via the VGA connector, connect that to the VGA/DVD component converter, which will then connect into your DVD component inputs of your TV. Check with the AVS folks for the T&R info for your various video needs: You'll probably be interested in anamophic DVD, desktop, and game formats. You may find one setting that you'll like for all your uses.

[dZeus]

sorry of I sound like a fool, but why would outputting video material at a higher res. than the material itsel make it look better? If I scale video on my monitor, it looks worse than the original size. example: try watching a NTSC DVD on your monitor at 640x480 fullscreen or at 1024x768.. there is a noticable difference.

[xortam]

BTW DentyCracker ... this AVS thread that ccoltas (a.k.a. cpc) posted in talks about using a Radeon to bypass the color space conversion and go directly YPbPr.

[ccoltas]

Well, don't think you're a fool. I just bought a TV, haven't picked it up yet, and started researching S-VHS vcrs and how best to hook up my Matrox G400max based PC to the 32" JVC TV for watching DVD from my Matrox PC and opened a whole can of worms. I don't really understand all the differences between video tape formats, broadcast and DVD and everything else. I mean, don't get me wrong, i know DVD has higher resolution than S-VHS, and HDTV is higher still. Its all this interlacing and progressive scanning that is really screwing up my understanding of the whole deal.

Learning about how DVD's are authored from film and how the interlacing screws things up is scaring me, because that is the one thing I have seen when watching DVD's that really disappoints me. Watching the ouput of the G400 on a 32" TV using composite output was ok and I didn't notice any errors, combing, stuttering, jitter or dropped frames. I am worried that I may see these when trying to view at the highest output that my TV will recognize from my MatroxG400max.


Question:

What is the max output (in resolution and refresh) does the G400max provide a television at this time?

Max resolution? Is the output De-interlaced?

Also, are progressive-scan DVD players de-interlacing? Meaning, they work with regular interlacing TV's, but have de-interlaced the image?

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