Superior

[The Viking]

I have tried several (at least 10) graphics card during the last 4 years and
I always keep coming back to Matrox. I do not know why they have such
superior image quality (and bad 3d performance) but I cannot live with less
quality than the best (I have a f-500 monitor as well )

Does anyone knows why Matrox delivers superior image quality? I mean how
hard can it be? Think about a geforce3 with the clarity of a Matrox card.

Do Matrox use custom made ramdac or only good quality?

I don't know, do you?

[Elecktroblaster]

You know! ive asked this question and i dont even own (yet) a matrox card

im after the dual output these cards have and so far im convinced these cards rock, if only they would add the grunt of a geforce they could dominate the 2d/3d world of graffix cards

my GF2 mx400 looks crap with 2d, even my voodoo3 is better LOL!

and im not fussed about losing a few fps in gamez! i dont play many anywayz

[SteveC]

Matrox design in-house the chips they use (G4x0 etc GPU) and the boards these chips run on. They do not make -reference designs' which other companies can then go and attempt to improve on, and often mess up.

Then, they scrutinise them themselves all along the way from design to finished product. Only then, can Matrox be sure that the finished product is exactly as intended. They only use the highest quality parts. They have a reputation, as you know, for the quality of their hardware, and they're not giving that up any time soon!

[K6-III]

You want Geforce3 with Matrox 2D quality. They exist. They are made by a company called Canopus. They just aren't sold outside of Asia anymore. Check out their site: http://www.canopus.co.jp/index_j.htm

[The Viking]

A bit Rusty

Thanks but my Japanese is a bit rusty…

[Greebe]

K6-III, the Canopus GF3 are still a notch down in 2D quality comapared to Matrox cards.

Hopefully someday soon we'll be able to have our cake and eat it too

[Elecktroblaster]

Sounds like some motherboard companies should take a leaf outta matrox's book LOL!

one thing i need to ask! is it ok for gfx cards to use any irq?
or are there performance issues? i was told they should only use 10 or 11 and no other or the system will run like a bag of sh*t

im only asking cuzz my system is stacked with cards LOL

scsi, tv-card, dual soundcards (for soft synths) and a nic card for networking. my geforce is on irq5 and everything seems fine but im not sure this is really ok???? i havent benched the fps on games yet and 2d seems the same, no slowdown or lagg...

[Tom]

Originally posted by Greebe
the Canopus GF3 are still a notch down in 2D quality comapared to Matrox cards.

Really? How do you know this for sure?
Canopus is known for building their boards quite
differently from the reference design.
Personally, I would have to actually see a
Canopus GeForce3 perform before I judged its
2D as inferior.

[Greebe]

@Tom
Oh so you take me for a fool who's just blowning smoke out his arse just for the sake of arguement?

Just because I beta test for Matrox doesn't mean I'm blind about what the competition has on the market.

Get real

[Rags]

Really? How do you know this for sure?

Maybe because he has seen Canopus boards before I have seen many Canopus boards with nVidia chips and every one of them had inferior output when compared to a Matrox.

Canopus is known for building their boards quite
differently from the reference design.

Yeah, but the same actual chipset is used. So IMO one must conclude that nVidia does, in fact, put out an inferior product

Personally, I would have to actually see a
Canopus GeForce3 perform before I judged its
2D as inferior.

Hmmm you are contradicting yourself now. You just got done telling us that Canopus had Matrox type quality output, but now you say you never have seen one, and couldn't make a judgment until then. So which is it? I already know, you haven't seen one, but if you paid the premium Canopus commands for their product, then I am sure you could find it in your heart to justify the price in your own eyes (in other words, your wallet would tell you it has to have great quality otherwise you would feel *ahem*ripped off*ahem*).

Rags

[Tom]

Greebe,
Relax...I asked a couple of questions and get jumped on?
...neither of which you bothered to answer.
I apologize if I sounded overly sarcastic.

Rags,
I've seen Canopus boards...not Canopus boards
with GeForce3 chips on them....
hmm...I read my original post again and can't seem to find
the part where I intimated "Canopus had Matrox type quality output". I think that I stated "Personally, I would have to actually see a Canopus GeForce3 perform before I judged its
2D as inferior."

I was under the impression that the 2D output quality
had a lot to do with the quality level of the components
on the board (filters, etc.) as well as the graphics chip itself.
That can't be right.....according to Rags, since all GeForce3
boards use the same chipset, then all GeForce3-based
video cards would have the EXACT same 2D output.
Now, that's sarcasm!

[The Viking]

A rough translation

It may be something to it, here is a rough translation

As you can see, they ALSO provide the board with BNC output!!!!!!

I can’t recall that Matrox do that, do they?




The nfinitecFx Engine was loaded the GeForce3
High-speed steel peck memory 64MB loading
SPECTRA individual high picture quality design
Show high cooling efficiency the Firebird G2 and the intercooler blade which
Actualizes stability operation with external power source supply the APS 3.0 which
Specification


This product was made by the Canopus engineer who does the product development which includes originality and progressive new technology.
The G.I. WORKS (the Graphics Innovation Works) , it is name of the Canopus graphic development team.



Further high picture quality actualization
SPECTRA series (X20 * 8800 * 8400 * 7400 * 5400 * F11 & F11 PE32) DSUB 15 pin connector part (SSH Type-D: The standard installing item) with it is possible to replace. By the fact that it outputs to the BNC, more high picture quality conversion becomes possible.

Quality of the image signal is maintained, " SSH technology " adoption
The SSH (the Signal Super Highway) with, because quality of the image signal is maintained, the GPU (the graphic tip/chip) the analog signal which is outputted from the video DAC is separated from the main baseplate, elevated (the bridge) with the form the way is connected it is something which to the display connector and it does. Analog / influence of noise is held down by the fact that the digital circuit is separated, the pure image signal is sent out.


SSH Type-D (the standard installing item), & it cannot installing simultaneously with SSH Type-D/TV use.
DDC function of display (automatic operation recognition and the like) it becomes not be able to use by using SSH Type-B.
SSH Type-B is used, the BB75 cable 1 or the equal cable becomes necessary. In addition, it is necessary also for display to have equipped the BNC input terminal.
(The BNC-BNC coaxial cable can be used with as many as 5, but because as for those which are sold generally those 50 Omega are many, impedance matching does not come off, 75 Omega we recommend the use of the BB75 cable which was adjusted.)
As for SSH Type-B it is not something which improvement of the picture quality in all environment preservation is proven. Rather influence of the ghost and the like to appear are times when it becomes easy depending upon the improvement of signal transmission characteristic depending upon the quality of display.

SSH Type-B private BNC cable
BB-75 Price: \19,800
Type turn: BB75



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You use the image private coaxial cable and the CANARE make connector of the oxygen free copper material which was processed by Meltone technology with non solder connection. It is the SSH Type-B private BNC cable which held down the attenuation and reflection of the signal with 75 Omega adjustments.

Form: BNCx5 - BNCx5
Cable length: 1.5m








SPECTRA series option

SSH-HDTV


Price: \12,800
Type turn: SSH-HDTV


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Time of SPECTRA 8800 installing



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In D terminal corresponding television personal computer picture clearness indication
The D terminal (above the D2) in the television which it has indication of the clear PC picture is made possible. In the picture where the television is bright, the game and the DVD playback with the PC can be enjoyed by preponderant force. Beauty of the indication video output of the former personal computer picture does not become comparison.
In the indication of SSH-HDTV being attached

D2 (525p), D4 (750p) in format correspondence
Letter and the indication which the thin line does not make flicker feel corresponds to possible progressive mode. In the television which corresponds to D2 or D3 mode the largest 720x480, in the television which corresponds to the D4 indicatory mode of the largest 1280x720 can be selected.

High-speed efficiency of the SPECTRA series that way
Because it is the SSH option which corresponds to the SPECTRA X20 * 8800 * 8400 * 7400DDR * F11 & F11 PE32, high-speed efficiency of the SPECTRA can be utilized that way. Smooth of the movement of the 3d game, it is not impaired even on the television.

Also simultaneous indication to personal computer display is possible
D terminal and 1 VGA terminals at a time equipment. It is possible to make the same picture in both of the television and personal computer display indicate in simultaneously.


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< Hardware requirement >

Corresponding graphic board SPECTRA X20, SPECTRA 8800, SPECTRA 8400, SPECTRA 7400DDR, SPECTRA F11, SPECTRA F11 PE32
Note when installing
Corresponding OS Windows 98 / 98SE / Me
With the Green Driver Ver.1.10, it corresponded to Windows 2000. The Green Driver is open in the download page.
Corresponding television The D terminal (above the D2) those which it has. This product with D terminal exclusive use, does not correspond to the S terminal and the composite video terminal.
D2 terminal (with D2 mode use)
D3 terminal (with D2 mode use)
D4 terminal (with D2 or D4 mode use)
* Signal specification of D2 and D4 which the SSH-HDTV outputs is conformed receiver standard for BS digital broadcast (ARIB SDT-B21), but the indicatory range and the like on the picture are times when it differs depending upon the adjustment of the TV manufacturer and the variation et cetera of the equipment.


Operational verification being completed television indicatory test result

Victor AV-D50LA2, AV-42PD1, HD-32LS1, AV-32MP900, AV-28MP900, AV-32AD1, AV-28AD1

Panasonic TH-36FP20, TH-32FP20, TH-28FP20, TH-36FP15, TH-32FP15, TH-28FP15

SHARP 32c-HE1, 32c-HE10, 32c-PD4, 28c-PD4, 32c-PD1, LC-28HD1, LC-28HD1K

TOSHIBA 36ZX720, 32ZX720

SONY KV-36DRX7, KV-32DRX7, KV-28DRX7, KL-50DX700

NANAO GAWIN M-10

In the part type there are some where jitter is indicated.
Operation verification being something where Canopus goes, is not something where TV manufacturer each company has done operation guarantee. In addition, complete indication in the above-mentioned type Canopus preservation is not something which is proven. The indicatory range and the like with use environment and the state of the television are times when it differs.




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< Specification >

Output connector VGA (D-SUB 15pin) X 1
D terminal X 1
Image output format D2 (525p)
D4 (750p)
Operational mode
Respectively 8, 16, 32 bit color output enables. Refreshment rate 60Hz fixing D2 640x416, 640x480, 720x400, 720x416, 720x480
D4 800x600, 1024x640, 1152x640, 1280x720
As for the 800x600, 1024x640, there are times when it cannot indicate in normally depending upon the television.

Consumed electric current
Increment of SPECTRA board +3.3v 400mA
+5v 50mA
Use resource It is not





In the television the edge of the picture part is not indicated unlike the display of the personal computer. Because of that there are times when, in the personal computer the information which such as score of the game is indicated hides. A mode in order to indicate the whole on the picture of television and several you have prepared, but with that mode a game which is not started there is. Because we offer the driver in order to try whether it can start the game with mode in order to indicate the whole, please try before the purchasing.

There are times when difference in regard to the indication due to the difference of quality of the television and personal computer display occurs. Please acknowledge beforehand.
With the SSH-HDTV also the starting picture and the like of the PC can output to the D terminal, by renewing to the BIOS which is attached to the CD which belongs, but this with auxiliary ones because it is BIOS setting and the like of the motherboard, does not correspond to all DOS pictures. In addition, when PC display is connected at the time of PC starting, as for the BIOS and the DOS picture when starting it is not outputted from the D terminal.
Because as for the DVD playback software for the PC, refreshment rate indication with display for the PC of uncertainty is designed to prerequisite, when it plays back in the large picture whose brightness is high, there are times when problem with respect to picture quality is conspicuous. When it does not reach to the DVD player who is designed to TV picture exclusive use picture quality, because it is, please acknowledge beforehand.
Depending upon the television, converting the image format, there are some which it indicates. E.g., (the D4 signal of the 1280x720p is indicated the 1920x1080i (D3 suitable) with)

Specification of SPECTRA X20

Accelerator tip/chip NcVidia GeForce3
Picture memory DDR SDRAM 64m byte
Use resource I/O port address The VGA uses usually address
Interruption IRQ one regular use
Memory RAM space A0000h - BFFFFh
Expansion storage space Territory of 80.6MB amount
ROM space C0000h - C$fFFFh
Largest consumed electric current From AGP supply +1.5v 100mA
+3.3v 100mA
+5v 200mA
External power source terminal
From (connector on board) supply +5v 7a
+12v 300mA
Board size
A:201mm (for power source connector connection, furthermore space of 30mm it is needed)
B:111mm
C:64mm
D:16mm
E:17mm
F:6mm
G:14mm
H:6mm

[Rags]

Rags,
I've seen Canopus boards...not Canopus boards
with GeForce3 chips on them....
hmm...I read my original post again and can't seem to find
the part where I intimated "Canopus had Matrox type quality output".

My bad I combined your post with someone elses

I was under the impression that the 2D output quality
had a lot to do with the quality level of the components
on the board (filters, etc.)

You are correct, and the 2D quality of nVidia based cards vary as much depending on the manufacturer that this is proven.

I was under the impression that the 2D output quality...as well as the graphics chip itself.

Yep, the graphics chipset is a big factor too, that's what my point was. You cannot polish a turd IMO.

That can't be right.....according to Rags, since all GeForce3
boards use the same chipset, then all GeForce3-based
video cards would have the EXACT same 2D output.
Now, that's sarcasm!

Were you born with this brain defect? When I say Chipset, it's the same thing as saying chip now. It's a term that refers to the graphics processor and RAMDAC. You know, similar to how we refer to different motherboard manufacturers using the same chipset, but obviously varying types and specs of components? Do you get it now? Maybe if I brought some crayons I could explain it better. Now that's sarcasm.

Rags

[Tom]

Originally posted by Rags
Were you born with this brain defect?... Maybe if I brought some crayons I could explain it better.

N o w t h a t w a s n ' t v e r y n i c e

Peace? o.k.?

[The Viking]

ALL murcer’s should be nice...

<<Peace? o.k.?

Could not agree more. ALL murcer’s should be nice to each others and follow the wisdom of Winnie the Pooh...