Disapearing Articles (search your caches for the parahelias/jems).

[bag_it]

Ok, _really_ obvious idea here...

The people who saw the AthlonXP.com article, could they post the bits here (dredge your cache).

I think i'm right in saying that this is outside NDAs, since its been miss posted on a public site.

Robert.

[Wombat]

Actually, it could't be posted. If you know that something was under NDA, but the NDA was broken, then it's still covered by trade secret law, and you can't post it either.

[Reckless]

Re: Disapearing Articles (search your caches for the parahelias/jems).

Originally posted by bag_it
Ok, _really_ obvious idea here...

The people who saw the AthlonXP.com article, could they post the bits here (dredge your cache).

Why? It was a news item with a few unremarkable pictures of (probably) an early version of the card. No write-up was given so it was very dull.

[DukeP]

Ah, that judical backtracing isnt hold to be legal in most countries.
If YOU didnt sign the NDA, You cant bloody well break it. Its not like the pictures are kiddiep0rn or something.

All this said, I prob. wouldnt. But thats another story.

~~DukeP~~

[Wombat]

It doesn't matter what happens in most countries, this server is in the US.

[isochar]

But linking to them on another website would get around that...

[Wombat]

Unfortunately not, thanks to the DeCSS cases. The judge is wrong about linking, but her judgment still stands.

[mmp121]

Its all irrelevent...

Regardless of laws and stuff, the only thing that was posted on AthlonXP.com were 4 pictures. No write up's no nothing. The onlyl thing I really remember was that green wire and that the heatsink/fan combo was much smaller than the one's on the Alpha photos.

[isochar]

But wouldn't linking to AthlonXP.com in the first place violate the "laws"? If so, why wasn't that deleted?

[DukeP]

Originally posted by Wombat
Unfortunately not, thanks to the DeCSS cases. The judge is wrong about linking, but her judgment still stands.

Just because the USofA has a law named DMCA (thx wombat) that they REALLY like to go forward with (although most sane people, think its stupid, wrong or quite frankly immoral), doesnt mean they can do SQUAT about things happening in other countries. That law is ONLY applicable in USA.
Oh. And MATROX is based in Canada...

Since a great part of the readers of MURC isnt citizens of USA, then its only our own feelings towards matrox, that prevent us from putting a link up. In my country (Denmark) I would at most be required to quote AthlonXP as the source..

~~DukeP~~

[Wombat]

Except that this server is in the US, Matrox has a US presence (I should know, I signed the NDA). So everything is happening in this country. And the asinine law in question is the DMCA. DeCSS is the program used to decrypt DVDs.

[DukeP]

Well, serverspace is just as easily available in Europe, which after all is where ANT originated (or so the rumor goes).

So the law in USA might pull the plug on the server, but that is all. No way anybody outside can be charged with anything, since USA only can make laws for its own citizens.

Seriously i feel sorry for much of the legislative branches, around the world. The Internet have brought changes that in most cases made most "old style" laws seem deficient. The problem is, that one really does need to understand the behavior of the NET and its users, if one is to legislate properly.

In my country (Denmark) it was actually illegal per se to use the internet for quite a few years. The reason: An old law that prohibited making any kind of digital copies of anything one didnt have exclusive rights to. Now we all know that webbrowsers employe an evil thing named a cache... Which makes digital copies of every page one visits. Just an example on some of the more stupid effects of flawed and/or old legislation.

~~DukeP~~

[borat]

surely if i have signed no nda i have done nothing wrong and can post what i like(ps i dont have the pics anyway) what call has the us government got over me to stop me posting them? that information was publically available for a few hours and as such anyone should be free to use and distribute it providing they achnolege it is not their origional material!

[Sasq]

Borat, if the server was not in the US then no call at all, however the server is in the US and as such is under US law...

Dan

[borat]

but the only thing being broken here is a non disclosure agreement as i understand, i have no such agreement and hence i can dislose any information which i posess legally and without any consequence. surely if i am not allowed to post my information for this reason then the government could make an nda for anything slightly sensitive which people knew about get a few people to sign it and then say to the other citizens who knew it but didnt sign an nda "you cant say anything because these people have signed an nda so there" that cant be the case surely. if it is then so much for the "freedom" that bush is spouting over.