p. not so great 2D/TVout quality (c't review)

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Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
... I don't think one could ask for more than that.

Sure we can. How does the ATSC 1080p look? Got some component or FireWire outputs?

[Dr Mordrid]

First remember that this is the first of a whole series of products. That's not insider info, just common sense.

1: there is an HDTV section on the GPU with VIP 2.0 I/O. Think about it.

2: As for other outputs, sorry...under NDA.

Dr. Mordrid

[xortam]

Yep, I know about the VIP 2.0 connector. One of the HT folks quizzed Haig about it but took the discussion off-line. There is certainly some potential there. Component looks like a dead issue now with the MPAA killing and/or crippling the interface on new TVs. Looks like we'll probably have to ultimately connect to the TV using FireWire with security.

[Dr Mordrid]

Perhaps for entertainment devices, but many higher end editing devices don't check Macrovision.

Dr. Mordrid

[xortam]

Pardon me if I'm not too well versed on this (I know just enough to be dangerous) but I'm under the impression that the problem is going to be on the TV side, i.e. no component inputs on new TVs.

BTW, I found the post in the Matrox forum. The HT person was Tom Strade from Immersive. Haig responded:

Regarding the VIP connector, we haven't finalized it yet whether it will be on or not. Main reason why we've had it on all of our other cards was for the products in our video division.

You're probably aware of the details but I'm mentioning this for the benefit of others.

P.S. I know that there are some HDTV tuner PCI cards that use the VIP connector (v1.1 I believe).

[Ryu Connor]

no component inputs on new TVs

I doubt this will happen. Hell RCA just launched a new line of TVs with a XBox emblem on it. The reason being it has component connections for better image quality.

http://zdnet.com.com/2110-1103-939990.html

The electronics industry really has no reason to buckle to the MPAA.

[Greebe]

LOL it's not like RCA truely is a trend setter... just look at DiVX players... defunct and lost millions

[xortam]

Originally posted by Ryu Connor
The electronics industry really has no reason to buckle to the MPAA.

Really? Tell that to ATI who had to cripple their component dongle output while displaying protected content . Check out the last few pages of this tread for a discussion on this. And why is everyone under the screws of Macrovision? I don't know when this component input restriction is supposed to get enforced. I'll need to do some more reading on this and get back to you tomorrow.

[Ryu Connor]

LOL it's not like RCA truely is a trend setter... just look at DiVX players... defunct and lost millions

I can't help but feel you just put words in my mouth. My point was that TVs are continuing to ship with component output. How much RCA sucks/doesn't suck was not really part of the equation.

And why is everyone under the screws of Macrovision?

They are? I've got quite a few DVDs that lack Macrovision protection. It's a choice the last time I checked and it's one that comes with a per pressed disc royalty to Macrovision.

Tell that to ATI who had to cripple their component dongle output while displaying protected content.

It wasn't but just a few months ago that Intel was telling Hollywood no.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/business/2764054.htm

I guess ATI isn't as liberal. Personally I find their choice odd. My Sigma NetStream 2000TV DVD decoder does component output at 480p, 720p, and 1080i. As does Sigma's newer XCard model.

[Ashley]

Like it or not, most new HDTVs have DVI-D/HDCP connectors and connect to the G550 w/o any fuss. No reason to think the P is any different...

So you could say that component video support is already about "legacy" products.

[Greebe]

Ryu, sorry you feel that I was putting words in your mouth, but that isn't the case at all. I also do not per se dislike RCA. I was just stating a fact.

They have pissed me off on many issues that I am sure you are completely unaware of. For one ie NAFTA, shutting down their Bloomington IN manufacturing plant and moving it to Mexico... for pennies on the dollar wages, crippling the city dispite their claims that they weren't going todo this. I'm also sure you don't know that I moved just last year from Indianapolis IN where RCA's North American headquarters (Thompson) is located about 3 miles from where I lived. Sure you also don't realise that I personally know many of the engineers there, good people.

[mikeul]

Parhelia 2D quality can very well be worse than G550 and still remain very good.

[xortam]

Anyone who is interested in the subject of HD content protection and the affect it is having on analog TV input should read this thread in AVS. It discusses Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP) over FireWire and the restriction of output of decrypted HDCP content in any analog representation except as a "Constrained Image". There's quite a bit to absorb in that thread much less reviewing the HDCP spec so I'll wait to do some more reading before I try to expound too much more on this subject.

[Rags]

Originally posted by mikeul
Parhelia 2D quality can very well be worse than G550 and still remain very good.

But it's not by any stretch of the imagination...so the rhetorical statement is actually quite moot.

Rags

[thop]

i want to revive the thread as it was being discussed again in Desktop Video. however i want to add sth. i read on another site:

The superb image quality matters less and less as more and more people are switching to DVI, or ?

the guy might be right.