Parhelia review at Aces!

[Umfriend]

Quoted from az:

It's like saying "yeah, my car is slower, but if it had more horsepower, it would have been faster".

On the other hand, IF my car HAD more horsepower, it would have been faster, no?

Umf

[Ant]

"No" No! No?

[Joel]

I need 60fps to really be competitive in most online deathmatch games.

Then you obviously aren't that good. I know people with modem connections who have had to limited their fps rate to less than 30 fps and they still kick everyones ass. Online gaming performance has nothing to do with fps but with skill.

Ask Kruzin if you don't believe me.

Joel

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Joel


Then you obviously aren't that good. I know people with modem connections who have had to limited their fps rate to less than 30 fps and they still kick everyones ass. Online gaming performance has nothing to do with fps but with skill.

Ask Kruzin if you don't believe me.

Joel

Ever tried shooting someone whos on a slow machine. One minute they're stood in front of you not moving at all while you're shooting them. The next minute they're halfway across the room. Or if the server is shit you're pressing fire and nothing is happening.

[Kruzin]

Those are symptoms of a bad server or slow internet connection, and have nothing to do with the video card's frame rates.

Anyone who thinks they "HAVE" to have 60 fps minimum framerate to play any game is fooling themselves, and has been sucked in by nVidiot marketing and fps counting web sites.

[CaineTanathos]

ey kruzin, I bought that plextor combo too

It really rocks

ps. I didn't want to buy a new writer, but , my 4/2/20 plextor died this weekend. I couldn't only write 85% of a cd... bummer

[Kruzin]

Yea, it's a great drive.
Burns a 700meg CD in about 5 min, and has yet to make a single coaster in the couple months I've had it.

[Maniac]

Ok Joel you can go ahead and takes shots at me, I'm big enough to take them.

And you know what else? You're right I'm not that good. I need to have a fast machine to stay competitive with everyone else. Oh and guess what, all the best Quake/HL/UT players in the world only play on Falcon Northwest or equivalent PC's. I think that says alot.

Kruzin just because the new Matrox card can't sustain a minimum of 60fps doesn't mean I, or anyone else has been "sucked" in to any marketing hype. I've been around the game long enough to know whats what. Like I said 45fps is right on the border or what I would consider the minimum for smooth and enjoyable play. 60fps is right in the sweet spot.

[Kruzin]

Sorry, but I simply don't buy that.
I can show your screen shots of scoreboards where I trounced the competition from all the way back to my G200/dial up connection when I limited myself to a meager 20fps, and I still whooped on LPBs with faster cards, and had a very enjoyable time doing it.
IMO, anything higher than a sustained 30fps is good for nothing but bragging.
Gaming is 99% skillz. If you aint got em, you aint got em...

[moreau]

This is kind of fun to watch.

Hey kids, I forget, after recess do we have gym or art today. or was it music...

[moreau]

BTW, I'm just having fun with you all. Please don't take any insult...

CEM

[Evildead666]

Hell, a few years ago, 30fps was considered the 'standard' for being able to play a game fuidly.
It only went up to 60fps so that you could have a good average.
If u can hit 60, then the average can't be much lower.
45fps is plenty.

if u want high fps, get mame and try to play Space Harrier @ 4x the normal speed. i did, and beat the game.
(Couldn't see much tho, just panicked for 35 mins, and then it was all over.
tyhe last levels were like a blur...)

Quite a lot of people who can play games very well, don't have a spanking machine either. Not top notch anyway.
Maybe its because they don't stare at the textures cos they have reduced them to get more fps...

my pinch of salt, and i diverged.

[CaineTanathos]

anything below 30 fps, isn't much fun of playing anymore.
but you don't need 300 fps eather
But the point is that cards that do now 300 fps (like quake 3) will do great in future games.

anyway if you can get 60 fps , and a minimum of 30 , its good enough.

and didn't say mr babyface carmack that when the first show/demo/blabla of doom III(when GF3 was released first on Apple) that with the GF3 you would be able to play at 30 fps with most features on at a resolution 800x600?

give matrox some slack, so they can mature the drivers


oh yeah, for single player FPS isn't that important, its with the multiplayer thats important, again you don't need 300 fps
60 - 100 will be enough


about the 9700 with their pixelshaders 2.0 interesting eh, and nice wow effect. But tell me something, GF3 has pixelshaders 1.1, GF4 1.3 and the 8500 has 1.3 . And how many games do have pixelshaders in their engine ?
ehh let me think, NWO (not NWN) and eehhh, nope can't think of any other. Was thinking about unreal 2003, but not sure if it had pixelshaders in it.

oh I read somewhere that doom3 will support pixelshaders 2.0, interesting one game will support it, ONE. yeeeha, sigh

[Stringy]

Figure I'll chime in before recess....
If your average is 45fps, you are certainly not going to keep a frame rate above 30 if you get into a firefight with a few guys, drop 2 or so frames with a decent opponient and he's either behind you or already killed you...

Sure I've killed lesser players with my G200, and it really fustrated the other players... but I always tried to stay out of close combat unless I knew I had the suprise on my side...

it's the Min frame rate that matters, I'll agree that over 30 isn't all that important...



Craig

[Maniac]

A fast machine will make a good player better, and a poor player average...