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    Hi, you may remember me from my "Watercooled Parhelia" review. Well I'm liking my Parhelia (aka "P") even more lately and had to write about it. I just bought a P for my home PC in addition to the ones at work. Despite my main reasons for buying the home P, my secondary reason (gaming) has left me 'disappointed but hopeful' with regard to existing games on the "surround-supported" list, since many of them are 'hack and slash' fixes via regedit, side-effects like squeezed menus, etc., but I remind myself I can't expect surround-gaming to become retro-active in every game pre-dating the P, much less overnight. So, the best hope for the P is for new games in the works now whose developers are still in the coding trenches or design stages and GFX card support isn't yet set in stone. Makers of pre-existing titles are in less of a position to revisit old code and "retro-coding" P support than in new title development, since older titles are usually lower priority than the 'next big thing' title a developer has moved on to.

    That said, I'm feeling a bit more hopeful after playing the "Bandits - Phoenix Rising" Demo that more developers will begin to realize the value in the P and its surround gaming ("SG") features. I realize even more that the "frames per second" debate is blown out of proportion in regard to P. Developers have the potential to make some really great games for the P if they take the time to embrace it fully, as there is so much more to a game than how high an FPS you can crank through an otherwise boring hallway in a spacestation.

    I tried out "Bandits" on my 3-monitor setup at home; its been begging for me to find the perfect 3head game with premeditated P support, and Bandits' developer "GRIN" has done it in this game, seen in the flexible setup menu that allows every combination of monitors attached to a P. The game runs GREAT on 3 screens - very smooth and playable. Given, I don't have FPS numbers since I couldn't find a toggle, but I'm also not easily impressed, as I know what a good framerate is given I've played most of the popular 3d titles we all know on a Gainward Ti4600 (and earlier Ti's) in another PC on a high-end 22" CRT monitor.

    I should point out, it says a lot for the Parhelia that Bandits' developer chose it as the GFX card over other choices to drive their in-booth demo system running Bandits at a tradeshow (ECTS - full details here) to show off the game and attract the passersby. Its yet another real-world example of people besides bias-accused Parhelia owners singing its praises. That GRIN's team of 14 developers are staking their very livelihoods on Parhelias inside the Bandits 'demo systems' at the heart of placing the game's best foot forward speaks volumes.

    So, here is yet another point of light that's begun transmitting in the current darkness of FULLY-EMBRACED Parhelia support in a game. Maybe John Carmack will be moved enough by the forming surround-gaming wave before he's finished with Doom3 that he'll reconsider his stance on not writing card-specific code for the P beyond generic implementation, like he's doing for some of the "other" brands. Else, I think it will be a tragedy for not just surround-gamers that may move on to alternative P-supported titles, but for Activision as well.

    Hopefully this write-up helps open the door a little wider for the 'undecided' to see the light. If nothing else, they can't claim ignorance wondering how they were left out when the surround-gaming firestorm is in full burn some day, since all it will likely take (with multiple monitors as cheap as they are) is a few killer-apps for surround gaming to continue to snowball - and Bandits is definitely one among the first.

    Even though this was a 1-level demo version of Bandits singleplayer (2-maps in multiplayer), its totally immersive and a breath of fresh air. We've also played multiplayer Bandits on the 3head P setups at work during lunch/after hours. If you've played 'HALO' on the XBOX and liked the driving physics when driving the Jeep in that game, you'll especially like Bandits.

    Here's a link to download the Bandits Demo (working as of this writing):



    Enjoy..

    Joe T.
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    Home System #1: Noiseless watercooled P4 2.26@2.77Ghz/652MHz FSB | 1Gig GeIL PC3500 DDR Mem @ 433MHz | Parhelia 128 Retail (watercooled) | Asus P4B533-E MOBO | 3 Eizo Nanao L685 18.1" LCD | 2 watercooled Seagate Barracuda V 120GB quiet Harddrive in SilentDrive enclosures, Miscellaneous pro audio cards/wireless LAN/etc.
    Last edited by testjoe; 11 September 2002, 11:32.

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    I will give it a try when I receive my Parhelia next week.
    Main: Dual Xeon LV2.4Ghz@3.1Ghz | 3X21" | NVidia 6800 | 2Gb DDR | SCSI
    Second: Dual PIII 1GHz | 21" Monitor | G200MMS + Quadro 2 Pro | 512MB ECC SDRAM | SCSI
    Third: Apple G4 450Mhz | 21" Monitor | Radeon 8500 | 1,5Gb SDRAM | SCSI

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    • #3
      thanks for this demo/surround gaming review! It looks impressive!

      btw. my jaw dropped to the floor when I saw that you've got three Eizo 18" LCD screens!!!!

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      • #4
        Arg! Makes my dying 17" Daytek seem like a cheap POS.

        It has great image quality compared to most new monitors but it's soooo dying. Once in a while you'll see the image flicker followed but I quick electrical strom inside the CRT, kinda cool, but at first I thought I fried my motherboard.

        But anyways, if I ever get some serious cash to spend, I'm definitely getting me one of those triple LCD's!!!! (and of course a Parhelia!)
        Titanium is the new bling!
        (you heard from me first!)

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        • #5
          Hey joe - whats the pixel refresh like on those? The LCD's I'm currently looking at have ~20ms refresh time - but I've seen one in action and it looks bad playing action games so it's really putting me off atm
          "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts

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          • #6
            jesus christ you got yourself a sweet setup there
            no matrox, no matroxusers.

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            • #7
              Hi all, you may remember me from the watercooled Parhelia review ...
              did anyone else felt reminded of troy mclure from the simpsons here?
              no matrox, no matroxusers.

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              • #8
                The best LCD's you can get right now are Sharp 16.1"ers and 18.1"ers....
                Let us return to the moon, to stay!!!

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                • #9
                  gawd, i just soiled my pants

                  awesome setup!
                  Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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                  • #10
                    K6-III you say sharp currently has the nest LCD's available. Do you have any references I can read up on. Or does any one now of any good review sites on LCD monitors. I'm looking at buying 3 for my setup.

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                    • #11
                      *looks at LCD Setup*
                      *DROOLS*

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by flee
                        K6-III you say sharp currently has the nest LCD's available. Do you have any references I can read up on. Or does any one now of any good review sites on LCD monitors. I'm looking at buying 3 for my setup.
                        Here is a summary of the Sharp 1803: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1520050

                        You can also find a review of the 1820 that was rated 10/10 and given the best LCD of all time rating two Maximum PC issues ago.....

                        Here is a review of the Sharp 1620: http://www.hardwarecentral.com/hardw...eviews/4330/1/
                        Let us return to the moon, to stay!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by K6-III
                          The best LCD's you can get right now are Sharp 16.1"ers and 18.1"ers....
                          K6-III: I think that the word 'best' should be used sparingly when it comes to something as subjective as monitors. It all depends what a person wants to use it for. Just like you wouldn't say 'the best car' without factoring in what TYPE of car first. When I researched LCD's to replace my CRT's, some factors weighed more heavily than others. It needed to have the sharpest text output I could get because I'd use it for programs with a lot of fine small type, and I also needed color reproduction as faithful as possible (on an LCD) since a graphic artist would use them parttime. I read lots of reviews and finally just did my own hands-on comparison running my main daily-use apps thanks to a friend at a sales company.

                          Of the bulk of review sites that bother to do more than unbox a monitor, turn it on and go 'cool' and write a few paragraphs, of the ones that actually took the time to do side-by-side's of multiple monitors, I've seen them to (generally) follow this all-around ranking pattern of 18" LCD: 1. Eizo L685, 2. Syncmaster 181T, 3. Sharp 1820.

                          Besides all that the review sites said in my own researching (which I take with a grain anyway), The Eizo L685 came out on top for *me* because it just plain looked the best in my own side-by-sides running the apps I run. I then went on to find the best possible deal on them, which ended up about 33% off retail, for I really didn't want to spend more than $1k per monitor. Ebay you'll sometimes see them under $1k as well.

                          There are tons of review sites, and they all say slightly different things just like different people at the same accident scene telling different stories of what happened, but one of the ones I considered early on that was fairly thorough and went through much trouble in testing compared to most review sites was at the link below, when the L685 first caught my before my own hands-on affirmation of what so-called reviewers were saying about it.

                          GCN Lab Reviews 12 Upper-End 18" LCD Monitors

                          And here's a chart that side-by-sides the features of all 12 Monitors and bottom lines the test results in PDF:

                          GCN Lab 12 High-End LCD Monitor Ranking Chart.PDF

                          Lastly, LCD's aren't the necessarily the best if someone uses the computer only for gaming or are real intent on being QuakeIII/UT fragmasters since LCD's do have a small amount of pixel latency. In practice, its not really even a discernable difference between my previous Mitsubishi 2060u 22" flat CRT and my L685's in 3d gameplay.. Some people claim to notice the difference, perhaps I haven't looked close enough, or perhaps whatever difference was there just didn't matter, not to mention well worth the tradeoff to LCD and its absence of radiation entering my eyes 8-10 hours like the CRT that gave me eye fatigue many days if I didn't take enough breaks.

                          So, bottom line, first ask yourself what you want to do WITH a new monitor attached to, ofcourse, your Parhelia, before you start to consider others' opinions.

                          Joe T.
                          Last edited by testjoe; 10 September 2002, 22:38.

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                          • #14
                            Thanks for the info.

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