My 10 days experience with the 9700 pro

[Indiana]

Does this particular Iiyama model have BNC connectors?
I use a BNC cable and did not have ghosting on my VisionMasterPro with the G400 @1600x1200@85Hz.
I don't have ghosting at this res with the R9700, either, but the G400s output was a slight bit sharper.

[Yannick]

No, the HM903DT had dual D-SUB connectors.

I've seen older IIYAMA displays, on matrox G400/G400Max cards, and they had no ghosting either. Those were all 160MHz displays, however. The HM903DT is a 345MHz display. This does not give any excuse for ghosting, but the electronics inside the display must be quite different from the older ones.

[Snake-Eyes]

Originally posted by DukeP
Ah!
Well at least you get some distance between the noise of the engi - eh - computer and your workspace.

~~DukeP~~

Hehe. You better believe it. With the number of fans currently in my case, it is a bit noisy for the desktop. As far as the engine, if you mean the GF-FX (though I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere in this topic yet), I'm just about to be able to change my system specs in my sig again, and it won't be the overhyped underperforming late nVidia processor based video card this go around. At this point, having evaluated what's out there, along with drivers, user experiences, etc., I chose an ATI R9700Pro. (Note: that says absolutely nil about past cards / chips, as while the nV's have always been fairly overhyped, this is the first one that wasn't outperforming everything else on the market significantly when I bought it, and it's noisier than nearly everything else to boot, with worse IQ AND performance when AA and aniso is enabled. )

[Indiana]

Originally posted by Yannick
No, the HM903DT had dual D-SUB connectors.

I've seen older IIYAMA displays, on matrox G400/G400Max cards, and they had no ghosting either. Those were all 160MHz displays, however. The HM903DT is a 345MHz display. This does not give any excuse for ghosting, but the electronics inside the display must be quite different from the older ones.

That's a pity that you can't use a BNC cable.
What do you mean by 160/345MHz display? The video bandwidth? My VisionMasterPro510 has a video bandwidth of 360MHz and doesn't show ghosting, so I think this is not the reason - besides having higher video bandwidth is a good thing.

[Yannick]

Yes, I was speaking about video bandwidth, and I agree it's a good thing to have a high video bandwidth.

That bandwidth is the main reason I bought the HM903DT, because I wanted to be able to run at least at 1600x1200@85Hz since I can notice the flickering of slower refresh rates ; and AFAIK the HM903DT was, and maybe still is, one of the cheapest 345MHz displays available.

[Bigg]

Originally posted by Goc
Too bad many people are obsessed with fps counters, and can't see the big picture, or even worse they deny it...
Parhelia has a few major bugs and flops, but overall it is a great card that offers a lot to every user that wants to use his PC to the MAX doing various stuff... Hard core gamers are better of looking somewhere else and getting away cheaper but with less quality features... That's how I see the whole argument that's going on around Parhelia...
But I simply can't understand zealotizam you can see on the internet. Get a frikking life people... Why, oh why must people force other people to use the hardware they use?

yes, if you cannot have three monitors for games, why game??? any decent computer can handle any game with a parhelia. it's soooo sad that it gets dissed for framrate.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Bigg
yes, if you cannot have three monitors for games, why game??? any decent computer can handle any game with a parhelia. it's soooo sad that it gets dissed for framrate.

No what's sad is that It took Matrox 3 years to come up with an overpriced underachieving, buggy, lemon of a card (well thats just my take on it)

And whats really sad is that my Radeon 8500 which I picked up on ebay for $68US looks nearly as good and has performance on par or better than a card that cost 4X as much!

[Wombat]

Originally posted by Bigg
yes, if you cannot have three monitors for games, why game??? any decent computer can handle any game with a parhelia. it's soooo sad that it gets dissed for framrate.

Okay Bigg, then go play a nice, cutting edge game like Half-Life, and watch the Parhelia fall to its knees.

Good card
- kinda slow clock
- sh!t drivers
- banding
- lack of backbone from Matrox

=bad idea to buy.

[3dfx]

I competely agree with Wombat, if you do not already own a Parhelia and intend to use it as a gaming format then dont bother. I hate to say it but on most occasions it is worse than a Geforce 2 in terms of performance. I thought to myself when I bought the Parhelia gaming performance isn't a big deal as all I play is RPG games and CS. So I thought well it must beable to handle these, but boy was I wrong. The Parhelia performed worse than my sisters geforce 4 mX in almost every case and on top of that it had banding. I mean the only redeeming feature is the triplehead. Go buy a Radeon 9700, performance is 10 times better, it's cheaper and it does almost everything better except surroud gaming

[Gohan]

Originally posted by Wombat

- sh!t drivers

Bad drivers? Matrox has the best driver i have ever seen!
Look at nVdia. One drver per week is nearly usual! That is a sh!t.
Or Ati, for nerly every Game they have to reales a new driver.

As example many Ati and nVidia users have problems with U 2. Only on Parhelia it seems to run fine.

And the card is still fast enough to run EVERY game with FAA

[Novdid]

Originally posted by Gohan
Bad drivers? Matrox has the best driver i have ever seen!
Look at nVdia. One drver per week is nearly usual! That is a sh!t.
Or Ati, for nerly every Game they have to reales a new driver.

As example many Ati and nVidia users have problems with U 2. Only on Parhelia it seems to run fine.

And the card is still fast enough to run EVERY game with FAA

ATI drivers are good enough. And anyone arguing that P is just as good as a 9700 in gaming is wrong.

[crow8k3a]

what fps u get in 2400x600 with your radeon? :-p

[Eon]

Originally posted by crow8k3a
what fps u get in 2400x600 with your radeon? :-p

The last time I played with a 600 pixels vertical resolution was probably in the early/mid ‘90s (5 to 10 years ago) with games like Indiana Jones or Monkey Island.

[Novdid]

Originally posted by crow8k3a
what fps u get in 2400x600 with your radeon? :-p

What fps do you get at 1600x1200? That res has a whole lot more pixels than 2400x600...

[Mafz]

Originally posted by Novdid
What fps do you get at 1600x1200? That res has a whole lot more pixels than 2400x600...

And what FOV do you get in 1600x1200?