BBz gettin the boot

[Hazmat2k]

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
ATI/nV 3D + Matrox 2D/multimonitor mmmuhahaha. others are going down

That would just make the other companies stronger. So what if Nvidia/ATi don't sell a card? They'll be making money from the GPU purchase.

[Liquid Snake]

Damn that really sucks!

I guess the G400 MAX is my last Matrox card.

[Rags]

Too bad, we had a great bunch of guys together who were on the ball.

It's a shame that it cannot be used to its potential now or ever.

Rags

[Haig]

I am sure whatever the reasons to shut down the BBz, you will continue to do your part to keep the TS Dept on its toes.

Definately.

Thanks to all over the years involved with helping to improve our products/drivers we get from Matrox.

Too kind!!!

Thanks Chrono.

[joonie]

I know I'm breaking the mood here, but what is BANDING problem in Parhelia??? What do you guys mean by that?

[Sasq]

joonie, look up, right at the top of the page... see those buttons, yup those ones, see the one that has 'search' written on it.

click it

In the 'search by keyword' text box type "banding" and then click the search button.

Regards

Dan

[joonie]

Originally posted by Sasq
joonie, look up, right at the top of the page... see those buttons, yup those ones, see the one that has 'search' written on it.

click it

In the 'search by keyword' text box type "banding" and then click the search button.

Regards

Dan

Ari ga tto go zai ma su!!

(by the way, are you REALLY Japanese?)

[Sasq]

look real carefully at the sleepy avatar

real careful.

[Flyke]

az: I know that the ATI problem is a "simple" interference problem.
I just don't want a gfx card which has "simple" unsolved issues..
Besides - I cannot adjust my monitors refresh rate..

Very nice of you Haig to reply in here and keep the confusion to a minimum

/Flyke

[Chrono_Wanderer]

Originally posted by Hazmat2k
That would just make the other companies stronger.

Well, if Matrox decide not to make graphics chipsets, then would that matter? I never studied mrketing, but using common sense I can see Matrox will eventually fade out if they compete directly with the big 2 (ATI/nV), since they are so big already. With the current financial (which lead to technical) resources Matrox has, do you think Matrox stands a chance competiting with 2 companies both having >3000 employees worldwide and have >90% of the graphics chips sells combined? If you were around few months ago, there were rumors saying most of Matrox's R&D employees were laid off, and a number of former employees moved to ATI/nV because Matrox hasn't beeing paying OT for a while. (And chances are most of these guys are probably the most talented engineerings in the industry) (Okay Ant / Matrox if this is inappropiate please delete what i have said. I am prefectly fine with it. Just hope this thread does not get deleted)

So what if Nvidia/ATi don't sell a card? They'll be making money from the GPU purchase.

If I understand you correctly, first of all nVIDIA does not make PCBs. All they do is design graphics chips. You have have known this, but a number of the "BBA" Radeons are actually fabbed by sapphire, and this is probably the case for all the BBA OEM cards. They do make money off the PCB manufacteurers, but these 2 companies (especially nV) will not survive without any launch partners. Also, purchasing the actual GPU is not very espensive (probably ~40 or 80 dollars each... the actual silicon is not very expensive, but the fab tachnology / packaging costs relatively more.) An expensive part is probably the actual PCB / capacitors. Apparently Matrox chooses to use very high quality electronics parts and filters on their PCB, and this high quality is what make a lot of us like Matrox products (and of course, tech support ). 2D quality depends heavily on the PCB manufecteurer. And basically this is the niche of Matrox: high quality electronics and 2D. Although this is not very likely to happen, but if either of these chipset companies sells their chip tech to Matrox and allow them to modify the chip a bit to enable 3 monitor support, then that would be another niche for Matrox. (Just to remind us again, i don't really know how hard this is, and is NOT going to happen) . Also don't forget Matrox has their professional video division. They can fab their nV/ATI based cards that are specifically enhanched for using their video boards in conjunction. So basically if Matrox manufecteur 3rd party chipsets, they will risk a lot less having to worry about designing the core logic, which is a very compettive market and costs a lot in R&D. And since there's no RnD cost for developing a graphics chipset, they probably may end up making more money by just manufecteuring cards instead of compeiting with nV/ATI, and marketing their cards in special niche where they are famous in (2D/multi-monitor)

Imagine a Quado FX with very high quality 2D and PCB design.

Imagine a Radeon 9800 with Matrox 2D/video quality.

[Chrono_Wanderer]

Originally posted by Sasq
look real carefully at the sleepy avatar

real careful.

Be careful Jonnie!!!! That avatar is evil... it wil eat you!!!!

haha just kidding Sasq

[Hazmat2k]

Your earlier statement implied (well to me anyway) that you think Matrox should manufacture cards using ATi or Nvidia GPUs.
I commented based on that assumption

[Hazmat2k]

Originally posted by Hazmat2k
Your earlier statement implied (well to me anyway) that you think Matrox should manufacture cards using ATi or Nvidia GPUs.
I commented based on that assumption

Sorry...aimed at Chrono_Wanderer

[ElDonAntonio]

Just to correct something that was said about 3-4 posts before, ATI/nV do NOT have >90% of the market. In fact it's more around 60%. Intel has a good chunk (~25% I think), and then comes Matrox and (I guess) 3D Labs.

[joonie]

I read an computer mag article that Matrox's graphics card is used just 1% of people world wide. Which means that 99% are divided by ATI, nV, Intel, and etc.