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    I don't know where management stands here.

    But it would seem rather vacant.

    "Attitude reflects leadership"

    I personally do not believe that management that looks at the bottom line and drives it to the floor at all costs will end up just that....at the floor. The whole business goes down the tubes if you're not in it for more than just money.

    And management that's in it just for money is useless management. All they accomplish is driving costs down, and not driving profits up.

    The reason nVidia is the ultralith that it is now is because of the upper managerial vision that it retained up until recently.

    I at one point contributed to their drivers for a summer, and I heard over and over "We're about 30 minutes from going bankrupt". This was when they were designing the original GeForce architecture. 30 minutes, 30 minutes, 30 MINUTES from BEING GONE.

    The attitude was, ok the deadline is up, it's time to ship. Here's what we got, we wanted this, but that's just too bad we're going to ship it now and fix it in the next core or our 30 minutes will be up.

    Now, they enjoy over half of the entire graphics marketshare and console penetration. Now ATI has the same "ship it now it's what we got" attitude and look where it's taking them....

    Now look at Parhelia. "We need a focused ion beam to help with prototype cores" "no it costs too much"

    wtf? nVidia had a focused ion beam right before they got TNT out the door...back in the RIVA 128 days!!! It cost them about %20 of their capital that year, but they were able to execute releases about 2x as fast because of it. They were spending money on equipment that Matrox did not have, BACK WHEN MATROX HAD A LARGER MARKETSHARE.

    Let's take this philosophy to 3dfx, who had the same attitude. One engineer I had spoken to said his requests for additional computing power were met with "when we get a lead on the revenues we'll get that"

    I'm saying, the bottom line is NOT WHAT BUSINESS IS ABOUT. I don't care what anyone says, they're WRONG. You need to get in step with your employees and trust what they say.

    Ahh heck, by now probably the Pitou is thrown out the door. Not that anyone in Matrox is going to speak out, but has Matrox ever taken the time to determine block failure rate on Parhelia? nVidia and ATI do, 3dfx never did I know that for a fact. I wonder how much of basic chipmaking practice Matrox even HAS GOING right now. Obviously they are missing quite a bit of it.

    Matrox Parhelia has been a qualifiable failure. It is so disgusting to see a design that was concocted ahead of nVidia's by over a year end up in the toilet.
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  • #2
    Have you actually used a Parhelia???

    For my purposes it is actually quite far from a failure...

    I would agree that them not listening to their customers and making poor decisions are not wise practices...

    However, with 6 posts, its almost like you came here to troll...
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    • #3
      i wouldnt say the Pharelia is a failiur... just that it dosent live up to most of OUR expectaions..... but it is true that the people need to get their Priorities straitned out
      "They say that dreams are real only as long as they last. Couldn't you say the same thing about life?"

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      • #4
        I think what he said makes sense, and is too elaborate to just be trolling.

        The P - while never having used it - is a failure in that it is far too expensive (to buy, and I guess tom manufacture to) for what it delivers, and is not very fast for all the raw power available to it. AND it took quite long. And driver development hasn't exactly been its best point in the past. And banding...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SpiralDragon
          i wouldnt say the Pharelia is a failiur... just that it dosent live up to most of OUR expectaions..... but it is true that the people need to get their Priorities straitned out
          if "not living up to expectations" is not considered a failure, i dont know what else it should be called.

          we are just too polite to say it's an outright failure. i would say it's a salveagable failure as evidenced by the "new" matrox cards coming out.
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          • #7
            I respect the opinion and agree with some of your points, but I personally think it's time for people to move past their disappointment over what Parhelia might have been. Yes, everyone had extremely high expectations and wanted it to be the messiah of the graphics industry. Yes, it was a potentially HUGE success in the making. Yes, it may have put a pebble in the shoe of N and A.

            The conclusion = it is what it is. It's unique, it has its strengths and many users are finding it perfect for THEIR needs.

            The near future = more solutions for what a chunk of the market NEEDS. though no one can say that the door is closed on high-performance gaming...you have to expect Matrox to offer solutions that leverage their strengths, rather than those that are a gamble to produce, market and sell.

            So before this becomes a "Parhelia sucks" or a "Matrox is gone because Parhelia isn't what it could have been" thread, keep these things in mind.
            Last edited by FormerEx-SalesSoup; 17 April 2003, 07:18.
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            • #8
              much appreciated reply, Soupy !

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              • #9
                ditto.

                Thanks for your views, Marketing Soup (This is NOT meant as an offense!)

                How about more Matrox Marketing presence and insight on this site?

                AZ
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                • #10
                  Originally posted by az
                  ditto.

                  Thanks for your views, Marketing Soup (This is NOT meant as an offense!)

                  How about more Matrox Marketing presence and insight on this site?

                  AZ
                  none taken.

                  i think this is all the marketing presence you'll get.
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                  • #11
                    I think the Major problem Matrox is facing right now is they dont have a fancy card that run with the likes of the R9700, that gives them good publisitly that a high end card like that gives. Everyone and their brother expected something close to Geforce4 performance with it and it has the design to beat that card and the R9700, but it just never fell together due to what ever problems the chip has itself.

                    ATI and Nvidia make their money on their lower end stuff, and people buy it since they get something good with the Radeon or Geforce name on it. Matrox doesnt have either solution at this time....the Parhelia isn't a highend superstar when it comes to gaming performance and I'm willing to assume that CAD performance isnt up to snuff compaired to a lower cost 3DLabs card and the Parhelia at this point in time is too expesive to sell at a sub $200 range. I can't think of the last time Matrox won a design win from Dell or Gateway (think the last one I heard was IBM with the G550!) and that cuts into the money they could be making off the card also.

                    Not to say that the Parhelia doesnt have its upsides (triple head), but the perceied negivates about the card drown out that. Add in that it seems Matrox didnt put any money into R&D and new equipment to help design new chips it seems like that Matrox graphics division is in a death spiral since they can't make a card that can compete with whats on the market now and make $$$ to invest in people or equipment...they are more or less letting everything rot away or taking an ax to it to keep its head above water. Not a good situation....
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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by ex-SalesSoup
                      none taken.

                      i think this is all the marketing presence you'll get.
                      Oh, I didn't mean anybody else should come here, I just meant your own presence here should increase Contact to the customer is very important (and this is still a very important site for Matrox Users (past, present, and maybe future ). And of course the occasional info will be good (though I agree that with Parhelia it hasn't really helped - though, if you had been MORE open, and had given us some info to calm down the wild speculation and dreaming that was happening, you'd have kept all "GeForce4 Killer" rumours, and disappointments when it weren't, at bay ).

                      AZ

                      P.S.: Well said, GT! But I think the hesitant release of new drivers (which fuels speculation of too little money and/or dedication at Matrox Graphics) is one major problem, too.
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                      • #13
                        Was ist ein "focused ion beam"? Sounds to me like something from Star Trek.
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                        • #14
                          Ein fokussierter Ionenstrahl natürlich

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by az
                            Oh, I didn't mean anybody else should come here, I just meant your own presence here should increase
                            i'll do my best...though it's a busy time around here...
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