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[Quasar]

Originally posted by thop
WTF Parhelia only gets ~1000 3DMarks?
Not that i care much about the virtual penis length indicator, but that's really a low score. My 9600pro scratches 4000 on a good day.

That's about the speed of a regular GF4 Ti4200 - the one card orginal Parhelia was fighting heavily against and mostly lost.

What did you expect?

[Che Guevara]

@borat, last question, I swear:

After all, which FAA do you think is better (do you like more) (with all it's problems and improvements), the original P FAA or P8x one?

[borat]

would have to syay that the new one is better as you dont get the artifacts like white lines that you did with the old one, and also seems to be compatible with all games i have tried, however, it does leave more jaggies than the old one in my opinion - i only play flashpoint and unreal regularly though so this may not be a fair reflection ocross all games.

[Paddy the wak]

I have found the 8x better on most games ... firstly it seems to work on games that it didn't seem to work on with the 4x but I think it looks better too.

I have however found in Painkiller that there is sometimes white lines around objects in "some" fog ... but not all.

[wingie]

Hi Paddy,

How did you get painkiller to work, it will not work on my machine, tried all kind of things it just returns to my desktop.

Grz. Wingie

[Paddy the wak]

Hello Wingie ... you need to use the 1.6.0.99 drivers.

[Che Guevara]

Originally posted by borat
would have to syay that the new one is better as you dont get the artifacts like white lines that you did with the old one, and also seems to be compatible with all games i have tried, however, it does leave more jaggies than the old one in my opinion - i only play flashpoint and unreal regularly though so this may not be a fair reflection ocross all games.

Thank you, but are there big problems in Unreal? Because games using the new unreal engine always worked fine for me (except you mean the good old Unreal?).

@Paddy the wak: Thank you too

If anybody can say more about the new antialiasing, please post it . That's the only point why I'm not sure about buying a P8x...

[Chrono_Wanderer]

OK, looks like Matrox will not enter gaming market for at least 2 years...

Or if ever.

The fact is, like most graphics companies, if you miss the gaming market more than 2 times, generally speaking you are out of the game. Think GeForce FX. GeForce 6 series seemed to have saved their arse. Giant 3Dfx... Voodoo 6 vs. GF2GTS/GF3... one wrong move and its dead.

I bet the Parhelia project caused lots of problems for Matrox. Its interesting to see that Matrox somehow survived this. It must be their professional line of solutions that went into corporate machines...

its crazy. GeForce 6 and Radeon X800 series are just around the corner. While Parhelia I consider a GeForce 4 / Radeon 8500 type card. Matrox is 2 generations behind in gaming.

But then, who uses Matrox for gaming? So I guess that doesn't matter.

They should price this cheaper to compete with GeForce NVS line...

[Wombat]

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
I bet the Parhelia project caused lots of problems for Matrox. Its interesting to see that Matrox somehow survived this. It must be their professional line of solutions that went into corporate machines...

Depends what you mean by "survived." Since the G400 days, they've:

Lost engineers to other companies
Closed down their labs in FL
Closed their beta programs
Laid off, multiple times
Pretty much lost all their OEM business


A guy can cut off his own legs, and he'll still "survive" a while, until the bleeding does him in.

[KvHagedorn]

Yeah.. pretty amazing how a decent company can decide that suicide is just the best they can manage.

[PAugustin]

They've laid off ppl but they also have been recruiting for the past year. So maybe the situation is not that bad. The problem is that we have no visibility about what is happening inside Matrox :s

[borat]

The problem is that in losing out in the mainstream market, they have been forced down the line of making "specality products". They can do this based upon their once legendary name, and excellent background in mission critical applications for graphics products. However you face a big problem when you do this, sales of speciality products are much lower than mainstream meaning that if thats your only market you must pump up prices to cover you technological investment. Its apparently working at the moment, but with ATI and Nvidia's R&D ploughing on at an immense rate and with them covering these costs more or less in comsumer sales how long will it be before they start trying to muscle in on matrox's market share in speciality markets at lower price points and lets face it superior products in most aspects? They have done it with OEM's, and with the massive level of financial backing they have they could do it to matrox if they wanted. If there is any money in matrox markets then thats where id be looking to expand to next, you never know, one of them may even try to aquire big M.

[az]

Matrox can't be "aquired" if the owners don't want to sell, as it's a privately held company.

AZ

[Fluff]

Matrox have updated their website with the new part numbers, shame there has been no press release!.

[borat]

Sure, but if the company cant make good on the technology it posseses then there would be every reason for the private individuals to sell it. Its just speculation, maybe they can turn good profits from speciality markets, i dont know what their books look like, but a graphics company without any new tech is going to have a pretty hard time selling on parts in the next few years.