What they are doing at Matrox???

[DGhost]

i prefer the term "be****le"

[Kuriton]

I like Matrox, but I have some uncomfortable things about current Matrox.
I can't believe Matrox's performance appeal.
This is the page which explain about Vertex Shaders.

http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/parhelia512/technology/quad_shader.cfm

But, This page explained about not "Quad Vertex Shader Array" but "Quad DirectX9.0 Vertex Shader Array" at first time.

For example, there are some word "Quad DirectX® 9 Vertex Shader Array".

http://www.matrox.com/mga/media_center/press_kit/parhelia512.cfm

What do you think about this page?
It is a true thing that Matrox have said Parhelia supports DX9 VertexShaders.
Don't you think it was a swindle?
I was sad when I know the news that Matrox gave up DX9 support.

When I talk that to Haig, he said that "Current most software don't use DX9. So, if we implement DX9 features, it won't get more good 3D performance."
But there are several games with DX9 support now.
So Matrox can't keep the reason in current time.

[VJ]

Originally posted by Kuriton
What do you think about this page?
It is a true thing that Matrox have said Parhelia supports DX9 VertexShaders.
Don't you think it was a swindle?
I was sad when I know the news that Matrox gave up DX9 support.

I don't think it is a deliberate swindle; my guess is that it is miscommunication between the technical teams and the sales teams.
(perhaps even incompetence of the sales team: making promises the technical team can't keep)

Still, I also feel there was more in the Parhelia (performancewise). But still, it is a nice card (I looked around for over a year to find a card, and ended up with a Parhelia. And I'm pleased with it).


Jörg

[Marshmallowman]

I think matrox said at one point that they could implement the dx9 vertex shaders in software(with a bit of hardware help i guess)

But the technical people that were to do it no longer work for matrox...it no longer has the resources, so they have been removing tha reference to dx9 Vertex shaders from the specs, Fraudulent maybe, incompetent definitely

[DirtFarmer]

***you have to read the fine print. Specification Subject to Change as Engineers and programmers get fired.

[Chucky Cheese]

Specification Subject to Change as Engineers and programmers get fired

That is hilarious!!

cc

[Whirl-Secret]

So what are the chances that M will release any significantly advanced triplehead card in the next 12-18 months?


I have a planned full comp upgrade for longhorn and hopefully M can keep to Haig's beliefs and have a new card/core ready for then... but is there something worthwhile coming before then?


Even Parhelia + 20% would be worth my wait as I will be moving house soon and don't have much space with all the building work I am doing (so having 3 crts could be something worth waiting for if a better card is coming out). Otherwise I would just follow Borat's good advice and find a P8X on ebay.

[Kruzin]

I keep saying it, yet nobody wants to listen.

There will be nothing faster than a P8x any time soon.
Just more stripped-down rehashed P and P-LX variants with specialized features enabled for niche markets.
They don't care about consumer cards any more, there will be no great new chip. Any new chip for LH will only barely meet the DX requirements, and will make no attempt to compete for Joe Public's buiz.

[Kuriton]

Of course, I recognize an advantage of only Parhelia.
I like Parhelia's displaying and DVDMax very much.

But we buy graphic cards by money.
According to this fact, paid side must keep any promises.
Even if they can't find the solution soon, they must do their best to solve problems.
This is the fact that a person take money.

Well, I am sad about Matrox official BBS is closed when holidays.

[Whirl-Secret]

Originally posted by Kruzin
I keep saying it, yet nobody wants to listen.

There will be nothing faster than a P8x any time soon.
Just more stripped-down rehashed P and P-LX variants with specialized features enabled for niche markets.
They don't care about consumer cards any more, there will be no great new chip. Any new chip for LH will only barely meet the DX requirements, and will make no attempt to compete for Joe Public's buiz.

Sorry Kruz I do keep listening to you, was just checking that there was really _nothing_ coming out of M any time soon... it's funny, I used to be one of the 'niche' markets for them - 2D person with high screen real estate needs, who plays very occasional games, but now they consider me 'joe public' and my brother doing his PhD into artificial hip improvements is now the niche... heh.

I know my 'needs' would be satisfied by a Parhelia now, just whining because of the cost of upgrading from P650 is very high to get an extra 1280x1024 space and maybe some higher res in games.

Funny because before I have defended Matrox... compared to the cost of Adobe Creative Suite and Macromedia MX 2004 software... the P650 or even Parhelia cost is tiny, and a 2D professional should pay it without complaining too much, considering the enormous quality increase over my old Powercolor Radeon 9700... ah well

[Kurt]

M should really kill the old G series. The P650 has the potential to be a real winner for 2D IQ apps but it's slightly too expensive.

I guess they make more profit on the G550 for which R&D has been paid back many times over. I feel they're being ensconced in old tech.

They should clean their "mainstream" line up, get prices down one place for every card and introduce a new feature rich model.

Dual P8X maybe? Quad DVI or dual Dual-DVI for 30 inchers...

A new niche product: G650 HTPC with the Marvell chip for TV Out, low profile, one DVI output, SVHS, MPEG2/MPEG4 hardware acceleration. Anyway, one can dream...

[Topha]

Shouldn't it be rather easy for the, to move Parhelia Core to a smaller manufacturing Process, strip it of those features that aren't needed by most anyway, because those who need and want those features buy ATI/nVidia and thus cut their production costs?

But they already did that in a way with P650/750, right?

[Wombat]

Originally posted by Topha
Shouldn't it be rather easy for the, to move Parhelia Core to a smaller manufacturing Process, strip it of those features that aren't needed by most anyway, because those who need and want those features buy ATI/nVidia and thus cut their production costs?

But they already did that in a way with P650/750, right?

Stuff like that is eas<B>ier</B> than designing a new chip, but I still wouldn't call it easy.

[borat]

I must admit that i held out hope for 'something' new for a long long time, but at the end of the day, you have to listen to what the people in the know here are saying and look at what matrox are doing.
Lets just hope nvidia or ATi put some effort into 3 screens in the next year or 2, otherwise my next PC will be a step backwards in terms of my display.

[Rakido]

Originally posted by Kruzin
In fact I think I'll watch M's site on say....Jan 25....

and, did we miss something?