Matrox market share drops again.

[Wombat]

They also have a card with 4 gpus that allows for 8 CRTs or 4 DVI monitors.

http://www.colorgraphic.net/newsite/products/xentera_gt8_models.asp

dshumake

You're missing the point.

[borat]

Im not up here to say "things are rosy for matrox" becasue clearly they are far from it but..

Surely the actual number of adapters/chips sold in 2004 were way more than 2000, so although their market share has droped significantly, maybe their actual revenues have not been hit so badly.

They are of course on the way down still which will be worrying to them, but really why has anybody got allegance to matrox any more? They have ripped a whole bunch of us off and have overtly said no more gamers cards indefinately, coupled with the fact that Nvidia and ATi are churning out some beutifull cards at the moment. The only thing M have for gamers is surround gaming but with the advent of DX9 and modern games it is simply obselete, sad but fact.

A once great company now sadly left to rot.
The only public beacon they have left is haig.

[Mikko]

It would be interesting to know how is the market share of ATI or NVIDIA chips actually divided between the different companies. If you take a look at video card manufacturers using ATI chips, for example, there's ABIT, Asus, Club 3D, Connect 3D, GeCube, Gigabyte, HIS, MSI, Sapphire and probably some other companies too. Maybe Matrox is still bigger than the smallest of the ATI/NVIDIA manufacturers. And Matrox cards usually cost more, so they still have plenty of income...

Of course, ATI and NVIDIA are getting bigger and bigger every time they sell their chip to a card manufacturer.

[DGhost]

It would be interesting to know how is the market share of ATI or NVIDIA chips actually divided between the different companies. If you take a look at video card manufacturers using ATI chips, for example, there's ABIT, Asus, Club 3D, Connect 3D, GeCube, Gigabyte, HIS, MSI, Sapphire and probably some other companies too. Maybe Matrox is still bigger than the smallest of the ATI/NVIDIA manufacturers. And Matrox cards usually cost more, so they still have plenty of income...

Of course, ATI and NVIDIA are getting bigger and bigger every time they sell their chip to a card manufacturer.

since Matrox ships such a small quantity of cards it takes a higher price to recover development and production costs. just because it is expensive doesn't mean that they acctually get a whole lot of profit out of it.

[Fluff]

I'm not really too bothered. If they have something out that supports avalon I'll consider their offering.

They have lasted longer than Number Nine.

Their Axio system seems quite impressive for HD editing.

[Mikko]

Yep, but Axio is a product from Matrox Video Products Group, not from Matrox Graphics, witch we were talking about.

[Nappe1]

I have been long quiet, but enough is a enough.
umm...
what happened that friendly Murc I used to know? This is Matrox Hardware section. Is it wrong place to post threads considering Matrox information?

come on... If Twilight has some hope and interest, let him have. It won't hurt you. As long as company stays profittable, it's more than ok. I know that Matrox has it's troubles, but so have the others too. There's no perfect solution available for 3D graphics right now.

and then the matrox forums... Tell me JUST ONE other chip / card manufacturer with open official support forums? yeah, nVidia opened theirs, but there's no official support. it's ment to be users helping each other. AND YOU whine while matrox does not have it open 7 days a week? sheesh. (of course you can always hope more...)

Matrox Lied to us about Parhelia features? well, time take of those M-glasses... NV40 has non-functioning Video Processor and nVidia hasn't even officially said it to guys who bought it. ATI again, promised F-Buffer bring PS 2.0+ lenght pixel shaders to 9800Pro... yeah right. sure it did. no developer just gave it a damn. how about Multimonitor support?? it took 7 years (counting from release of G400) to ATI add Streched desktop to their drivers and There's still no sign about nVidia / ATI product supporting 3 displays with all modes that Matrox supports right now. So, Parhelia is only choice here as well.

As a notice, Right now, I don't have ANY Matrox card in active use. I do have ATI 9700-nonpro and GF4 Ti4200 64MB.

Besides, you say that you don't see Matrox coming back to gaming any time soon. Why should they? it's way too expensive right now and they have nice foothold on markets that ATI and nVidia don't try even with a long stick. (needs a way too much of dedication and specialization.)

as a short end note: there's nothing wrong being realistic, but after all we are still using this site under name of Murc, which stands for Matrox Users Group, so attacking against someone delivering Matrox news is something I don't want to see here. There's general hardware for those who don't give a damn about Matrox. (There is still ppl that follow what's happening and try to build up the giant zigzag-puzzle about matrox why something was done or what could be happening next. It's not so much about Matrox, but more trying to understand ppl behind the decisions and practizing .)

And Twilight: don't post replies on posts with attack attitude. there's quite few long timers that keep hanging on, though they whine this and that when things are going badly.


I am off the work.

[xortam]

... what happened that friendly Murc I used to know? ....

You mean like the good 'ol days when Bit Boyz were bashed at the mere mention of anything attached to their efforts?

... And Twilight: don't post replies on posts with attack attitude. ...

Yes please ... let's don't encourage any stimulation of discussing the issues (insert sarcasm emoticon here).

[Twilight]

And Twilight: don't post replies on posts with attack attitude. there's quite few long timers that keep hanging on, though they whine this and that when things are going badly.

Thanks. That is good advice I think. I should have known better than to respond to a flamebate post. It puzzes me that some people just has to post a "Matrox is bad, bad, bad" in every thread. Posting anything like that doesn't exactly raise the discussion to a higher level, and it doesn't help us that are genuinely interested in Matrox hardware.

[Kurt]

Im not up here to say "things are rosy for matrox" becasue clearly they are far from it but..

Surely the actual number of adapters/chips sold in 2004 were way more than 2000, so although their market share has droped significantly, maybe their actual revenues have not been hit so badly.

They are of course on the way down still which will be worrying to them, but really why has anybody got allegance to matrox any more? They have ripped a whole bunch of us off and have overtly said no more gamers cards indefinately, coupled with the fact that Nvidia and ATi are churning out some beutifull cards at the moment. The only thing M have for gamers is surround gaming but with the advent of DX9 and modern games it is simply obselete, sad but fact.

A once great company now sadly left to rot.
The only public beacon they have left is haig.

It's kind of worrysome than they ship more cards yet revenues are less than 1/5th. It means their average selling price is gone down that much.

OR revenues have shifted (to another company within the group, for ex.). OR you're wrong about the numbers.

With the low sales they have, higher manufacturing costs (more like guessing here), such low figures are not compatible with higher unit sales, given they still turn a profit (might they be losing huge amounts of money?).

[xortam]

Thanks. That is good advice I think. I should have known better than to respond to a flamebate post. It puzzes me that some people just has to post a "Matrox is bad, bad, bad" in every thread. Posting anything like that doesn't exactly raise the discussion to a higher level, and it doesn't help us that are genuinely interested in Matrox hardware.

So you haven't learned anything out of this discussion? Do you think this thread would have gotten so much attention if I hadn't posted my initial comments? I also don't fit your characterization.

[Wombat]

Thanks. That is good advice I think. I should have known better than to respond to a flamebate post. It puzzes me that some people just has to post a "Matrox is bad, bad, bad" in every thread. Posting anything like that doesn't exactly raise the discussion to a higher level, and it doesn't help us that are genuinely interested in Matrox hardware.

You said "genuinely interested in Matrox hardware" when what you really meant was "fanboys."

I have no trouble saying good things about Matrox, but the truth is that they rarely earn it these days. You know why 90% of what I say about Matrox is negative? Because 9 out of 10 things they do are detrimental. The only smart move they've made is keeping Haig on.

What do you mean by "higher level?" Only good news? xortam and I are contributing educated information to the topic, that seems like a higher level to me.

[Twilight]

Apperantly, I write some pretty good flamebates myself. Maybe we should just stop this right now?

Anyone have some more actual input about Matrox market share?

[Nappe1]

You mean like the good 'ol days when Bit Boyz were bashed at the mere mention of anything attached to their efforts?

...and what ya know? they are profittable nowadays and keeping steady product cycles.

Though still working in underground, there is small group of ppl standing behind the bitboys technology. And if Matrox haven't given anything to gamers market after parhelia, it's nothing compared to waiters of the bitboys. Though they have now delivered IP, the desktop side is still unconquered. (Officially that isn't even plans, but everything is possible... like Bitboys turning into profittable company. )

but yeah, I kind of miss the days when my most search here was "Bitboys" and also the days when I actively did "cover ninja operations" (like Ant put it back then.)

Also, I don't think that Murc ever was really hard on Bitboys. maybe that is because the embm, dunno...

and what comes to Matrox's future, I can only quote Yoda:
"Hard to see, what future is. all time in move, future is."

[Fluff]

More importantly to them what is their target market , market share. I'm assuming that the figure quoted at the start was from the total video card units shipped.