Here are my G400/K6-2 450 3dmark99 scores, does it look like all is well?

[jediphoenix]

Test My Project
Rendering Platform Matrox Millennium G400 - English
Resolution 800*600
Color Depth 16-bit Color
Frame Buffer Triple buffering
Refresh Rate VSync Off
CPU Optimization AMD 3DNow!(tm)
3DMark Result 3232.68 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed 6243.87 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score 2051.79 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race 35.96 FPS
Game 2 - First Person 29.36 FPS
Fill Rate 205.54 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing 199.21 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed 271.18 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed 215.41 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed 151.70 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed 113.79 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed 65.63 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 3-pass 82.00 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 2-pass 105.84 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 1-pass 174.24 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed 110.22 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed 100.00 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed 69.31 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed 0.00 %
6 Pixel/individual 721.29 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips 1690.27 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual 648.56 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips 1454.71 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual 587.60 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips 1167.17 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual 341.20 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips 485.76 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual 136.34 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips 164.22 KPolygons/s
Processor Type AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor
Processor Speed 450 MHz
L1 Cache size 64 KB
L2 Cache size None
Physical Memory 128 MB



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[sasa]

HI, I have celeron 400 oc 450 with 96 mb and I got 3653 with your settings. In 1024*768*32 i got 3578, but with 16 bit z buffer. With 32 bit z buffer I got 3307

[jediphoenix]

Damn that is not good for me are SS& that bad for AGP?

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[Maniac]

Seems strange that your cpu3dmarks are so high and you actual frame rate numbers are relatively low. On my system I get 4060 3Dmarks at your setting. ( I use 16-bit Z)

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Celeron 300A@464 2.0V, Abit BH6 G400 16meg DH@150/200, Western Digital Expert 18gig, Ricoh mp7040A, Pioneer 6X DVD slot load, Motorola Cable Modem w/DEC ethernet card, Soundblaster Live Value Ver. 2, Viewsonic GT 775

[jediphoenix]

man then why am I getting the low frame rates? are socket 7 mobos that bad at AGP implementation? This is really disheartning

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[jediphoenix]

ok this is wierd, i went into G400tweak and turned on the 32bit z-buffer, i would think that would slow stuff down but look at the jump in my 3dmark score and cpu score from the last one I posted and notice now I lose no fill rate with multitexturing?

Test My Project
Rendering Platform Matrox Millennium G400 - English
Resolution 800*600
Color Depth 16-bit Color
Frame Buffer Triple buffering
Refresh Rate VSync Off
CPU Optimization AMD 3DNow!(tm)
3DMark Result 3288.10 3DMarks
Synthetic CPU 3D Speed 6385.53 CPU 3DMarks
Rasterizer Score 2105.95 3DRasterMarks
Game 1 - Race 36.62 FPS
Game 2 - First Person 29.84 FPS
Fill Rate 205.21 MTexels/s
Fill Rate With Multi-Texturing 205.25 MTexels/s
2MB Texture Rendering Speed 296.01 FPS
4MB Texture Rendering Speed 231.68 FPS
8MB Texture Rendering Speed 160.27 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed 119.35 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed 67.58 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 3-pass 82.35 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 2-pass 105.79 FPS
Bump Mapping Emboss, 1-pass 174.87 FPS
Point Sample Texture Filtering Speed 110.86 %
Bilinear Texture Filtering Speed 100.00 %
Trilinear Texture Filtering Speed 68.64 %
Anisotropic Texture Filtering Speed 0.00 %
6 Pixel/individual 722.43 KPolygons/s
6 Pixel/strips 1688.66 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/individual 647.57 KPolygons/s
25 Pixel/strips 1453.01 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/individual 575.88 KPolygons/s
50 Pixel/strips 1175.68 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/individual 346.04 KPolygons/s
250 Pixel/strips 485.98 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/individual 136.54 KPolygons/s
1000 Pixel/strips 163.92 KPolygons/s
Processor Type AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor
Processor Speed 450 MHz
L1 Cache size 64 KB
L2 Cache size None
Physical Memory 128 MB

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[HedsSpaz]

Since no one else has confirmed it for you, yes, SS7 boards are pretty bad with AGP. Most of them can't even do AGP2X consistently. I know from experience. The reason is basically cause AGP was created by Chipzilla, so their BX chipset has very good support. However, no other chipset maker has created a good AGP implementation of AGP somewhat out of fear of Chipzilla.
So, the short answer to your problem is that while you can get really good CPU scores from your K6-X, you won't even be able to get AGP 2X which will kill everything.

HedsSpaz

AMD K6-2 350 oc 400
Asus P5A
128 mb PC100 SDRAM
8.4gb WD HD
13.5gb IBM HD
Mill G200 AGP
Win98 SE
Win2k RC2
RedHat 6.1

[jediphoenix]

actually agp2x is working fine for me on my system Headspaz

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[Chris Blake]

jediphoenix:

Why do you have no L2 cache?

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Chris Blake

Epox MVP3G5, K6III450, 256Mb RAM, G400Max DH, SBLive! Value and whole load of other stuff

[jediphoenix]

Q: 3DMark shows that I have no L2 Cache. I have an AMD K6 or K6-2 CPU.
A: On your system, the L2 Cache is on the motherboard, and can't be detected correctly.


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[jediphoenix]

So why does someones system with a celeron 300a@464 and a g400 16 meg get a 3dmark99 max score of 4060 and my K6-2 450 128 SDRAM and g400 32 meg only gets 3288 ???? Please explain

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[Meek]

Dear jediphoenix, I have two explanations, choose the one you like:

1) Celeron 300a has an integrated L2 cache
2) floating point is faster in Celeron, and the 3dnow! optimisation, if they exist, are not very good.

M.