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  • #1

    OpenGL again...

    OK sorry to about this, but there is no other way:

    My specs:
    Asus K7M (latest BIOS)
    Athlon 500
    G400 DH bulk
    Terratec XLerate
    3com ethernet adapter PCI
    Promise Ultra 66
    128 MB PC-100
    Toshiba DVD
    SONY CDR
    ATAPI ZIP 100

    I DID set AGP aperture size to 256 MB
    I DID install PD 5.30 with latest TurboGL
    My G400 has its own IRQ (with IRQ holder) (11)
    I DID install the latest Busmaster drivers
    I DID set Q3A color depth to 32 bit before using TGL
    My Desktop has 32 bit color depth


    B U T: Q3A wont work!!!
    when starting it The screen gets white and flickers. There is sound. I can navigate through the menus but can only see the white flickering screen.I can exit Q3 and everything is normal again...

    What shall I do now???
    If you can do it then do it...
    Home system:
    Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
    Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

    and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.
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  • #2
    P.S. Just tried it with Q2 - the same again
    If you can do it then do it...
    Home system:
    Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
    Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

    and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.

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    • #3
      I'm not up on the AMD chipset stuff... but does the K7M use Via's chipset? If it does, they just released new 4in1 drivers yesterday. Those might help.

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      Abit BH6
      Celeron 450
      Matrox G400 32mb "MAX" 256MB PC100
      IBM 10GB 7200rpm HDD
      Creative Labs DVD 5x
      Mitsumi 4x/2x/8x CD-RW Monster Sound MX300
      USR 56K Modem
      Creative Labs DTT 2500
      ADi 6P (19" Monitor)
      Win98 SE


      Abit BH6
      Celeron 450
      Matrox G400 32mb "MAX"
      256MB PC100 RAM
      IBM 10GB 7200rpm HDD
      Creative Labs DVD 5x
      Mitsumi 4x/2x/8x CD-RW
      Monster Sound MX300
      USR 56K Modem
      ADi 6P (19" Monitor)
      Windows ME

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      • #4
        No VIA-chipset for AGP...
        only for I/O

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        If you can do it then do it...
        Home system:
        Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
        Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03
        If you can do it then do it...
        Home system:
        Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
        Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

        and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.

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        • #5
          Does it work without TurboGL (with the regular full ICD)?
          Core2 Duo E7500 2.93, Asus P5Q Pro Turbo, 4gig 1066 DDR2, 1gig Asus ENGTS250, SB X-Fi Gamer ,WD Caviar Black 1tb, Plextor PX-880SA, Dual Samsung 2494s

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          • #6
            It does work fine with the standard ICD

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            If you can do it then do it...
            Home system:
            Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
            Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03
            If you can do it then do it...
            Home system:
            Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
            Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

            and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.

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            • #7
              Ok I got it working now. With the latest BIOS of my Mainboard (which by the way wasnt available on the taiwanese website but only on the german one) and the amd miniport drivers.

              BUT: I had to use 5.30 because with 5.41 the game would freeze after 10 secs or so.
              AND it wont run anymore with the standard ICD (freeeezzzzee)
              AND: Turbo GL looks pretty shitty, doesnt it?
              I can see the the raster everywhere - its like playing in 16 bit although in Q3A 32 bit are set!!!!
              AND its not that much faster (I have no benchmarks but I can "feel" it...:-)
              Now I will do a clean install of win98 SE and will never ever use turbo GL anymore -
              The Standard ICD looks MUCH better
              dont you think?

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              If you can do it then do it...
              Home system:
              Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
              Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

              and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.
              If you can do it then do it...
              Home system:
              Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
              Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

              and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.

              Comment

              • #8
                I guess you have your desktop set to 16bpp before you launched Q3 ...

                Try to set it to 32bpp and check Q3 again with 32bit textures and colordepth.

                Did you use the Uninstaller from Matrox for changing drivers ?

                If not, do so, because the seem to be a few leftovers causing those crashes ...

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                Cheers,
                Maggi
                ________________________

                Working Rig:
                Asus P2B-DS @ 100MHz FSB
                Double Pentium III-450
                4 x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
                Matrox Millennium G400 32MB DualHead
                Eye-Q 777 (22" with 127kHz) on primary VGA
                Nokia 445Xi (21") on secondary VGA

                Home Rig:
                Asus P2B-S Bios 1010 @ 100MHz FSB
                Celeron 333A @ 500MHz
                2 x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
                Matrox Millennium G400 32MB DualHead @ 150/200MHz
                CTX VL710T (17")
                and a brand new Pioneer 303S SCSI-DVD

                Despite my nickname causing confusion, I am not female ...

                ASRock Fatal1ty X79 Professional
                Intel Core i7-3930K@4.3GHz
                be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 2
                4x 8GB G.Skill TridentX PC3-19200U@CR1
                2x MSI N670GTX PE OC (SLI)
                OCZ Vertex 4 256GB
                4x2TB Seagate Barracuda Green 5900.3 (2x4TB RAID0)
                Super Flower Golden Green Modular 800W
                Nanoxia Deep Silence 1
                LG BH10LS38
                LG DM2752D 27" 3D

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                • #9
                  OK I guess youre right - the desktop color depth was at 16 bpp - now with 32 it´s OK.
                  Blame on me...

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                  If you can do it then do it...
                  Home system:
                  Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
                  Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

                  and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.
                  If you can do it then do it...
                  Home system:
                  Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
                  Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

                  and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.

                  Comment

                  • #10
                    i'm kinda leery with your aperture at 256 w/ only 128 meg of RAM. from what i understand, the aperture is how much RAM is reserved (i was under the assumption that it reserved it, and excluded it from AGP using it, maybe its how much AGP is allowed to use.) i don't konw, but i got 128, and my aperture is set to 64, and it works fine.

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                    • #11
                      I just set it to 256 MB because in the Turbo GL readme the matrox people tell me to do so ... I didn´t think about it-but maybe vitual memory can also be used as video memory (although it might be a little bit slower than SGRAM)

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                      If you can do it then do it...
                      Home system:
                      Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
                      Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

                      and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.
                      If you can do it then do it...
                      Home system:
                      Asus K7M,Athlon 500, Terratec XLerate, Toshiba 8x DVD, SONY CRX100E CDR, ZIP 100 ATAPI, Terratec TerraTV+, Matrox Millenium G400 DH 32MB, EPSON Stylus Color 740, EPSON Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner, 3Com Fast Etherlink 10/100MBit, Promise Ultra 66, Maxtor 20 GB 5400 RPM, IBM 20 GB DJNA 7200 RPM, Elsa Quickstep 1000 ISDN, 128 MB PC-100 RAM, Logitech WheelMouse, Cherry GDDG81-3000 Keyboard with blue LED´s (looks pretty cool)
                      Windows 98 SE, Caldera Linux 2.3, BeOS 4.5 amdministered by System Commander 4.03

                      and a SONY F-400 19" FD-Trinitron Monitor.

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                      • #12
                        The G400, for some reason I'm not aware of, runs contrary to the conventional wisdom regarding AGP aperture size. Again, this is something that Matrox has advised G400 users to do, and most of the time, it works.

                        Some people have had better luck at 128 Mb. Others use 64 without a problem. I guess this is the glory of PC computing.

                        Paul
                        paulcs@flashcom.net

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