AGP 1X only shown

[Zargon]

I've a G400 sh 16 w Abit BP6 (Celeron 594Mhz x2) and same problem 'bout AGP1x only....
I can't believe it!!!

[CMB]

Hey,
i may be wrong but im sure ive read in other posts from those who know that AGP speed doesnt make a blind bit of difference in real life gaming situations, only specific benchmarks.

but please correct me if im wrong :O)

[Kruzin]

CMB is correct.
It does NOT make diddly squat worth of difference if you are in 1x or 2x. It performs the same in todays games.

And because this has been discussed sooooooo many time here is why only mini-murcers are posting here. The old timers are so sick of this topic they don't even read them any more...

[nehalmistry]

your right and your wrong....
first of all, there is no way that agp 1x and 2x will make a difference, especially on a g200... not a slight bit even.. BUT i think that if i do fix this... it might indirectly fix another error that could help the speed if fixed... thats my thoughts

secondly, when you get a g200 you expect a agp2x card... if it doesnt work properly... whats the whole point of buying it... in a way its false advertising(doesnt matter if 1x/2x doesnt make diff.) ... it should be compatible with most motherboards, at least the most popular ones like asus.

[nehalmistry]

KRUZIN

one more thing, dont you think ive searched for it... why would i post if i could search for it.
i did find some info but was not sufficient.

[Kruzin]

Well, this is really a Matrox Hardware issue, and not a gaming issue. Did you search the Matrox Hardware forum? You will find enough threads on this subject to keep you busy for days.

And to say that claiming 2x, when you have to run 1x is not false advertising. It is your system. I have had my G200 and G400 on 3 different motherboards (all BX based), and have gotten 2x every time, with every version of the drivers, without ever having to force it. Many people get 2x on SS7 boards. If the card is running in 1x, it is because your system failed the AGP read/write test on bootup. Look at RAM, motherboard, other busmastering devices for the cause.

In your case, I'd be looking at the motherboard. You say PCIList claims it is only 1x capable, even though you know it to be (with older AGP cards). It is probably a BIOS issue, or more likley, a power issue, with that model/rev/whatever of that motherboard not being able to supply enough juice to the card. You would probably see the same thing with other high-power AGP cards. You can't blame the video card for your systems other shortcomings.

[nehalmistry]

ok ok ok fine you win.... it is a matrox hardware issue. Im just such a Lazy SOB i cant bother to search for it.

1 more thing... this is my last straw, then i give up... could it be because i overclocked my k6 233 to a 300.. and if it is, is it my internal OR external clock that is causing the problem.

[Kruzin]

Aha.
You did not say you had a 233. You said you had a 300. Overclocking to a speed does not make a chip anything different that what it is. An overclocked 233.

Yes, It is possible this is the problem.
Rule #1 of overclocking: If it doesnt work, CLOCK IT BACK DOWN! At least to see if that is the problem.

[Zargon]

I believe the the 1x issue is important 'cause when I'm using high res ( up to 1600 or 1280) a lot of my g400 16Mb video memory is used from frame buffer ( ~15Mb) so using the sys mem to execute local texture MAKE a real difference!!
Of course the things are different w 32Mb of VM but I've a g400 16Mb!!!!!!!!!!!!
One things is sure I was wrong changin' the dear 2x\4x Savage4 32 Mb w this 1x G400 16!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Greebe]

OK here goes, so listen up! If it doesn't do AGP2x with the reg hack, then your MB is shit... not that it doesn't work flawlessly otherwise, but there are some (even my S7 MTech r581agp) that wouldn't do AGP2x if you gave it to them. Which if you think about it, that's all the MB manufactures did. No through testing, not even one of them really attempted to fix it either. By the time U realised there was a problem, the manufacture had another product to replace it and were done with supporting it (outside of minor bios updates). Don't lay blame with Matrox either, it's not their fault. Most that have this problem are using a Ali or Via based MB's... so blame them.

Which brings me to another point I'd like to make. agp1x vs agp2x... if you think there's a difference in the real world your wrong... if you actually saw the difference in 1x vs 2x you would be disapointed. So wash that grundgy crud out of your ears that's built up over the last year and a half because AGP2x is not faster at displaying video than 1x. This spec only relates to video - sys memory swapping. Only when it runs out of local vid memory does the AGPxx come into play and NOT 1 game provokes that need, only benchmarks and graphics apps can demand this. In 2D who's dumb enough to whine it's not fast enough?

If you complain about 16 megs of vid mem not being enough, then you should have had the insight to purchase a gcard that had more. Duh flamebait

[paulcs]

Flamebait it is. And it suggests a certain intellectual handicap. If you all will indulge me, I'd like to take the bait.

I'm really getting sick of incompetants blaming their personal failings and ignorance-based problems on their hardware, and then going ballistic on the Gaming Forum.

As idiots are the least likely to recognize their idiocy, I think some guidance is in order. I think Ant should create a forum called "The Slow Class." Let the moderators decide who's the newbie who needs a little help and who's the offensive, gene pool polluting, terminal knucklehead.

That's one sollution. Another would be to hunt down the whole lot of them, ship them off to the Artic Circle, and let the polar bears deal with them.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[Zargon]

idiots, idiocy, incompetant, is all you can say??
And you're the expert?
what? You are blamin' my abit BP6 for AGP fault??
Bah, surely it work p-e-r-f-e-c-t-l-y with savage3d, savage 4, and tnt!!
And tell me: when 15 mb of video mem are in use by framebuffer, my g400 then swap the last 1 mb with system mem at 1x (half speed)without visible difference??
Who make you an expert??
I hope that the rest of murcer are different from you...

[Gurm]

Zargon,

He _IS_ right. AGP 1x vs. AGP 2x on a Matrox G400 doesn't make a lick of difference. The reason you can't get 2x on a G400 when you can on a Savage or TNT is threefold:

1. The G400 requires more power, thus generating more bus noise on a shitty motherboard (and the ABIT isn't the NICEST motherboard on the planet).

2. It could be your RAM, or your other cards, or your power supply. Any of those things could increase bus noise to an unacceptable level.

3. The G400 uses FAR more of the AGP resources than other cards. The G400 in 1x DiME is substantially faster than, say, a TNT in 2x DMA. Fact of life.

So yes, he is right and you are ignorant. The problem is that instead of admitting that you know very little and coming here asking for help (and you should be in the friggin' HARDWARE forum since this is a HARDWARE issue), you come in assuming you're right and it must be something wrong with the G400 (which it isn't).

So cope. Grow up, learn a little, and you might not get flamed out of here.

- Gurm

P.S. I'm all for the Slow Class. Just don't send Space7 there, he's too amusing to reprimand.

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[Zargon]

OK, your speak is almost logical!
But thinkin' that a g400 can have a bug is not a crime..
First I'm believing that the issue was the 12 (yes 12) fan that cause strong electro-magnetic fields around CPU and G400, but a lot of people have my problem, so I wrote to this (yours seems) forum.
There 're people like you (welcome!!) and people like Paul cs, I prefer tech info and, o-f c-o-u-r-s-e, help, then read his stupid verdict 'bout my person.
PS. WE'RE ALL IGNORANT.
Prof.Pinna

[Zargon]

Good news:
with a software (agpswitcher) I've obtained the 2x AGP @ 104 Mhz!!!!!!!
Electric noise, Abit eh?
see yeah!!!