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**Maggi** · 16 August 2000, 17:46

Sorry, but Q3 is not running with the actual set of drivers ...

and I fear you misunderstand the concept.
These are shutterglasses through which you see at yuour monitor, so no movies while lying in bed.

All D3D games ran perfectly though and even that heatshimmer effect in Formula GPW works great ... UT kicks ass and all racers I tried (NFS-PU, Viper, Driver) are extremely cool to play in real 3D ...

Cheers,
Maggi

**Sanjuro Makabe** · 16 August 2000, 18:41

Maggi,
Can you tell me the brand name, price, of the 3d glasses you got? and can you tell me how you installed it? plug to where? thx

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**Maggi** · 16 August 2000, 19:46

of course ...

I use the 4in1 wireless Eye3D shutterglasses, that come with a VGA passthrough cable which is supposed to be plugged inbetween the GFX card's VGA connector and the monitor connector.
http://www.iart3d.com/eiart/index.htm

**Maggi** · 16 August 2000, 19:50

oh .. the price was ~ 100 $ US ...

**bastioned** · 17 August 2000, 01:38

Maggi, so you mean that this glasses are to look through them to your monitor?! I don´t get it... I read in their site that they were equipped with LCD displays... how in the world can you look at your monitor through these LCD panels? I thought that the image appeared in the glasses, at least that´s what I understood from the info in the web site... I´ll have to read it again...

**Rakido** · 17 August 2000, 03:41

Bastioned,

let me quote from stereo3d.com:

None of these glasses produces an image. They are used to watch a standard monitor. They block the light from the right eye while the monitor shows an image for the left eye and vice versa. This technique is called "time sequential stereo".
These glasses are often refered to as LCD-glasses, even by me. That's not quite correct. LCD means Liquid Crystal Display, but there is no display here, just a shutter (light blocker) for each eye. Sometimes people ask me what the resolution of these glasses is. Well here's the answer: two pixels, one pixel per eye! Just kidding. The resolution and colors are infinite. If you should find a VGA-card and monitor which does 30,000 x 20,000 pixels, with 128 bit color at 200 Hz refresh - No problem. That's the reason why IMHO the shutterglasses technology can't be beaten by another technology within the next years. And it's cheap too. Even Headtracking is possible, as StereoGraphics demonstrated. Well, it's different from the headtracking in VR-helmets. It's used to watch objects from different angles.

Hope that helps
Rakido

**Maggi** · 17 August 2000, 03:49

Hey Rakido !

Did you already get yours ?

**Drizzt** · 17 August 2000, 05:24

Those are different tecnologies originated from different needs.

The purpose of VR-helmets is to let the user move and see a virtual world around him. This can be obtained only by having the images shown directly on the glasses; so, while this allow the users to really "live" in a virtual world, it raise the quality problem. It's somehow difficult to obtain an high res (like 1280*1024*32bit) on a 3" display...

On the other hand there are shutterglasses.
Those glasses purpose is only to enhance the experience on some particular programs or on a game.
Thus solve the video quality problem, even if it limit the user immersive experience.

About the LCD thecnology used in those glasses, the one from stereo is telling a huge bullshit.

The need is to obscure an eye at the time; apart from spitting alternatively in the users eyes, the worst solution is the one suggested from stereo3d.com.
Do you imagine wearing a pair of glass with a mechanism that close and open a tenths times a sec?? Apart from the fact that it should resist at last a few mins before broking down, try to imagine the huge noise produced by a solution like that -(two little engines into the glasses, and 30-40 click like photo machine every secs...ROTFL!!)-

Why then they are called LCD Glasses? Well, why the producers of those glasses call them "LCD"? Do they don't know what tecnology they use in their product?

LCD means Liquid Crystal Display. And as everybody knows, an LCD cell is a cell that reflect light depending on how much they are polarized. They can go from total transparent to total dark. This is, for example, the technology used in those house's windows that change luminosity depending from outer luminosity.

So, the obvious solution for LCD glasses is that they are composed by two LCD cells (one for eye) that are polarized alternatively. This reduce the complexity of the glasses, the noise, the cost and the power compsumption.

Pretty obvious, uh?

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**Rakido** · 17 August 2000, 06:09

Maggi: yes, i got mine, but to be honest, i haven't tested them yet *blush*

Drizzt: hmm, where did you get the idea from with the mechanical open and close of the glasses? He didn't write anything about this, basically he says the same as you.

Bye
Rakido

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**Maggi** · 17 August 2000, 07:22

Originally posted by Drizzt:
Those are different tecnologies originated from different needs.

The purpose of VR-helmets is to let the user move and see a virtual world around him. This can be obtained only by having the images shown directly on the glasses; so, while this allow the users to really "live" in a virtual world, it raise the quality problem. It's somehow difficult to obtain an high res (like 1280*1024*32bit) on a 3" display...

On the other hand there are shutterglasses.
Those glasses purpose is only to enhance the experience on some particular programs or on a game.
Thus solve the video quality problem, even if it limit the user immersive experience.

About the LCD thecnology used in those glasses, the one from stereo is telling a huge bullshit.

The need is to obscure an eye at the time; apart from spitting alternatively in the users eyes, the worst solution is the one suggested from stereo3d.com.
Do you imagine wearing a pair of glass with a mechanism that close and open a tenths times a sec?? Apart from the fact that it should resist at last a few mins before broking down, try to imagine the huge noise produced by a solution like that -(two little engines into the glasses, and 30-40 click like photo machine every secs...ROTFL!!)-

Why then they are called LCD Glasses? Well, why the producers of those glasses call them "LCD"? Do they don't know what tecnology they use in their product?

LCD means Liquid Crystal Display. And as everybody knows, an LCD cell is a cell that reflect light depending on how much they are polarized. They can go from total transparent to total dark. This is, for example, the technology used in those house's windows that change luminosity depending from outer luminosity.

So, the obvious solution for LCD glasses is that they are composed by two LCD cells (one for eye) that are polarized alternatively. This reduce the complexity of the glasses, the noise, the cost and the power compsumption.

Pretty obvious, uh?

Sorry, but those glasses do shut one eye after another ...
60 Hz per eye, thus your monitor runs at 120Hz.
You can hear it when you head away from the IR emitter, because then the glasses loose sync and get slower until they blank totally.

It's sort of like synchronously triggered sunglasses.

...

Rakido ... hehehe ... I wish you a nice weekend !!!

**Rakido** · 18 August 2000, 05:02

Rakido ... hehehe ... I wish you a nice weekend !!!

*grin* i'm sure i'm having a nice one. Planning to redesign my complete computer-desk with the four compys, printer, scanner, monitors, racing-wheels, cd-cases and so on, so i'm prepared for the cleaniest-desk-award.

But to stay on the topic, i tried a first install yesterday and was very impressed with the demo you can view (the spinning Metabyte logo, where you can set the stereo separation). Games didn't work yet, but i suppose the beta drivers i use for the (cough)Elsa Gladiac(cough again) are responsible for that. I hope to try it with the G400 sunday evening.

Take care
Rakido

**bastioned** · 18 August 2000, 05:59

Well then, do you guys give the OK to this fine-piece-o-hardware ? Do I have to run to the store ( or go for my credit card ) and get one of this babies or just stay the same with my usual "stereoscopic 3d eyes" ?

One final note, thanx a lot for your comments, they´re welcome.

**Maggi** · 18 August 2000, 07:33

Originally posted by bastioned:
Well then, do you guys give the OK to this fine-piece-o-hardware ? Do I have to run to the store ( or go for my credit card ) and get one of this babies or just stay the same with my usual "stereoscopic 3d eyes" ?

One final note, thanx a lot for your comments, they´re welcome.

Well, of course I cannot guarantee that you'd enjoy it as much as I do, but I made some contacts to I-Art and they mentioned that a new driver is in the works and the EyeScream 4.01 beta drivers from Wicked3D would not be needed as soon as I-Art finished theirs ...

Don't forget, right now the Wicked 4.01 beta is the only driver that works with PD 6.x !

I didn't regret it at all, even though one of my favourites (Q3) isn't working with the actual set of drivers, but I guess the next update should fix it.

Cheerio & nice weekend !
Maggi

**Drizzt** · 18 August 2000, 14:14

Rakido: He says that there is no LCD in the LCD glasses. He says that there is a shutter. Well, a shutter is a mechanical object that open and close. Have you never disassembled a photographic machine? Well, however, the prob could be that in english the word "shutter" could have a wider range than in italian. If it's so, then, I'm sorry to have misandestood.

Maggi: well, what I said? ^__^;;;

However, I have three questions for you:
Those glasses really need a 120 hrz refresh? I cannot reach it...
Second, no one has tried them with FS2000 or Fly! ? Seen if they improve the experience a lot?
Third: I have a huge problem. I have a very very low perception of 3d (in the real world). Will those glasses made my sick as Q3 Doom Doom2 Heretic Dark Forces Unreal etc. do?

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