Upgraded computer; Now all my games crash!

[antdude]

Originally posted by Rags:
antdude,

Would you just set the ****ing jumpers like Motub asked ya to several posts ago. Jeeeez, you are making this MUCH more difficult than it needs to be. Yes, your FSB affects the frequency of your AGP slot. I am confident this is your problem.

Rags

Rags: I do NOT see any FSB jumpers. Only frequency ratios. Unless I am misunderstanding this. You can look at pages 25 and 26 in the manual. [confused again]

[Rags]

You are clearly confused

The ratios are what you are concerned about. Make it 2/3 or AUTO.

Rags

[antdude]

Originally posted by Rags:
You are clearly confused

The ratios are what you are concerned about. Make it 2/3 or AUTO.

Rags

Rags: Yeah, this is all new to me. I am more into software than hardware.

Are you saying you want me to set the frequency ratio 3x with the DIP Switch Settings (SW1)? I don't have 2x and AUTO listed in the manual's chart.

[Rags]

I am clearly confused

You only have dip switches for clock multiplier on that particular revision. AGP bus speed is automatically set, so that leaves only two things I can think of. Either your memory cant run at that bus speed, or your cpu and motherboard don't like each other.

Rags

[antdude]

Originally posted by Rags:
I am clearly confused

You only have dip switches for clock multiplier on that particular revision. AGP bus speed is automatically set, so that leaves only two things I can think of. Either your memory cant run at that bus speed, or your cpu and motherboard don't like each other.

Rags

Yeah, that is what puzzles a lot of people and me! There is no way to change the FSB by hand since it is done automatically. BTW, I tried different RAM modules (new and old) already by itself and still have problems. Even at different slots (I only have three)! Hmm!

Maybe the motherboard is too old to handle this! I understand that DFI's lastest update and all 440 BX motherboard support up to P3 600 Mhz (Katami; Slot 1). I wonder if DFI even bother to test with AGP cards like Matrox G400 MB (non MAX)? I am not going to bother contacting DFI since its technical support is dumb as a rock (like five e-mail replies were B.S.)!

Right now, I am at P3 500 Mhz (83 Mhz bus) with NO problems! I even ran UT v425 overnight for 5.5 hours, NO CRASHES! ARGH!

Do you guys think I should just get a P3 500 Mhz CPU? Will this work? I wonder how much speed loss I get. When I underclocked my CPU, I noticed Q3A was way choppier than a P3 600 (100 Mhz). Someone told me that this was normal for underclocking, but getting a 500 Mhz CPU won't be this slow.

Any ideas, people?

[Rags]

Maybe a Power Supply problem? Dunno.

[antdude]

Rags: I doubt that. I have a 300 watts Power Supply. I don't even have that much stuff in there like some people, do I?

[antdude]

Here is something funny related to this thread and my computer problems:
http://metalab.unc.edu/Dave/Dr-Fun/d...df20000821.jpg

ROFL! Man, do I feel like that guy right now! ahahah!

Okay back to my problems .

[antdude]

This might be give new information from wcpuid at P3 600 Mhz (100 Mhz bus):

[ WCPUID Ver.2.8 (c) 1996-2000 By H.Oda! ]

Processor 1 : Intel Pentium III / CA4F2FCE
Platform : Slot 1 (SC242 Connector)
Vendor ID : GenuineIntel
Type ID : 0 (0)
Family ID : 6 (0)
Model ID : 7 (0)
Stepping ID : 3 (0)
Brand ID : 0 (0)

Clock Frequency
Internal : 601.36 MHz
External : 100.23 MHz
Multiplier : 6.0

L1 I-Cache : 16K Byte
L1 D-Cache : 16K Byte
L1 T-Cache : ---
L2 Cache : 512K Byte
L2 Latency : 1
L3 Cache : ---

MMX : Supported
SIMD : Supported
3DNow! : Not Supported

Machine : IBM PC/AT
Version : Windows 98 Version 4.10.1998

----------- : --------
F.Flags : 0383F9FF 00000002
I@PCP : 03020101 00000000 00000000 0C040843
: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
I@0017/002A : 40230000 00000000 00000000 C6C80000
I@0119/011E : 00000000 00000000 00000000 01344523


[ WCPUID Ver.2.8 (c) 1996-2000 By H.Oda! ]
<< Standaed & Extended Feature Flags / Processor 1 >>

0 Floating-point unit on-chip (FPU) : Supported
1 Virtual Mode Extension (VME) : Supported
2 Debugging Extension (DE) : Supported
3 Page Size Extension (PSE) : Supported
4 Time Stamp Counter (TSC) : Supported
5 Model Specific Registers (MSR) : Supported
6 Physical Address Extension (PAE) : Supported
7 Machine Check Exception (MCE) : Supported
8 CMPXCHG8 Instruction (CX8) : Supported
9 On-chip APIC Hardware (APIC) : Not Supported
10 Reserved : Not Supported
11 Fast System Call (SEP) : Supported
12 Memory Type Range Registers (MTRR) : Supported
13 Page Global Enable (PGE) : Supported
14 Machine Check Architecture (MCA) : Supported
15 Conditional Move Instruction (CMOV) : Supported
16 Page Attribute Table (PAT) : Supported
17 36-bit Page Size Extension (PSE36) : Supported
18 96-bit Processor Number (PN) : Not Supported
19 CLFLUSH Instruction (CLFSH) : Not Supported
20 Reserved : Not Supported
21 Debug Trace Store and Event Monitor (DTES) : Not Supported
22 MMX Instructions Extensions (MMX+) : Not Supported
23 MMX Instructions (MMX) : Supported
24 Fast floating-point save and restore (FXSR) : Supported
25 Streaming SIMD Extensions (SSE) : Supported
26 Streaming SIMD Extensions 2 (SSE2) : Not Supported
27 Self-Snoop (SS) : Not Supported
28 Reserved : Not Supported
29 Automatic Clock Control (ACC) : Not Supported
30 3DNow! Instructions Extensions (3DNow!+): Not Supported
31 3DNow! Instructions (3DNow!) : Not Supported


<< Cache Info. / Processor 1 >>

[L1 Instruction TLB]
4K byte pages, 4-way set associative, 32 entries
4M byte pages, fully associative, 2 entries

[L1 Data TLB]
4K byte pages, 4-way set associative, 64 entries
4M byte pages, 4-way set associative, 8 entries

[L1 Instruction cache]
16K byte cache size, 4-way set associative, 32 byte line size

[L1 Data cache]
16K byte cache size, 4-way set associative, 32 byte line size

[L2 cache]
512K byte cache size, 4-way set associative, 32 byte cache line


<< L2 Cache Control register / Processor 1 >>

L2 Configured : ON
L2 Cache Latency : 1
ECC Check Enable : ON
Address Parity Check Enable : OFF
CRTN Parity Check Enable : OFF
L2 Enabled : ON
L2 Associativity : 4 Way
Number of L2 banks : 0 (1)
Cache size per bank : 512K bytes
Cache State error checking enable : ON
L2 Physical Address Range support : 4G bytes
L2 Hardware Disable : OFF
Cache bus fraction : OFF


<< AGP Chip set Info. >>

Chip-set Device : Intel 440BX/ZX
Chip-set Revision : 02
AGP Revision : 1.0
AGP Operations : Enable

Data Transfer Rate
Supported : 1x 2x
Current : 2x

Side band addressing : Enable
Greater 4GB Address : Not Supported
First Write : Not Supported
Aperture Size : 64MB

-------- -------- -------- --------
71908086 22100006 06000002 00004000
FF008A0C
00100002 1F000203 00000302 00000000
00000080 00000030 0FCC0000 00001020


I noticed AGP is at 2x! That's new to me.

[Sisyfos]

One thing is odd, L2 Latency : 1
This is a coppermine and should be 0.

Is it possible for you to run Sisoft Sandra to see what your actual AGP speed is?
That would be nice knowing.

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[antdude]

Originally posted by Sisyfos:
One thing is odd, L2 Latency : 1
This is a coppermine and should be 0.

Is it possible for you to run Sisoft Sandra to see what your actual AGP speed is?
That would be nice knowing.

Sisyfos:

Sure, I will run this program tonight (I am at work right now). Someone else just told me about this program [grin].

Okay, if this L2 latency is the problem. How do I fix it since I don't see any ways to change it via CMOS and jumper switches. Again, I am using a Katami/Slot 1 P3 CPU. Hmm!

[Rags]

Have you tried with your AGP aperture set to 128 or 256?

Rags

[antdude]

Rags: Yup, I have tried that a week ago.

[HollyBerri]

The memory tests I did that failed were only at 100 Mhz bus speed. I assume RAM is okay.

I don't get it.... isn't this supposed to be PC100 SDRAM?

How do you figure that PC100 SIMMS that *cough*fail*cough* at 100MhZ are "okay"?????

I'm downloading the new .pdf file now (thanks for the link); I'll be back after I've had a look at it .


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Holly

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[antdude]

Originally posted by HollyBerri:
I don't get it.... isn't this supposed to be PC100 SDRAM?

How do you figure that PC100 SIMMS that *cough*fail*cough* at 100MhZ are "okay"?????

I'm downloading the new .pdf file now (thanks for the link); I'll be back after I've had a look at it .

Sorry, I meant to say PC100 SDRAM. Hehe, I wasn't being technical [grin]. I assumed every one knew what I was talking about. RAM = PC100 SDRAM. Better?

Have fun with the manual!