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**Kruzin** · 19 June 2002, 12:36

The shadows where set to complex.
They look the same whether 16xFAA is on or off.
Stencil shadows or not, they are not polygons, and will not get FAA'd.
The only way to make them look different is to use FSAA, which is too big a performance hit, and makes other things look worse.

**BuddMan** · 19 June 2002, 13:04

Hmmm...can you provide a shot without FAA then to show this, because my roommate's comp with a GF2 shows the shadows without the drastic jaggies. I'm about to run it on my ATI Rage Pro just to see if it looks any different on it...

**Kruzin** · 19 June 2002, 13:09

Look at the last picture.
That's exactly what they look like with FAA off.
Another picture showing the same thing would just be a waste of my time, and MURC's bandwidth.

**BuddMan** · 19 June 2002, 13:44

This is actually a pic from Dungeon Siege Vault, but this is what the shadows should look like. This is how it looks on both my ATI card and a GF2. I will post my own pic from my ATI card in just a sec.

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**BuddMan** · 19 June 2002, 14:08

I never stated it couldn't be the drivers. All I'm saying is there is a definate issue with it. Again MA, I don't want a flamewar, this is not a Parhelia bash or anything. Anyway, I get a whopping 1fps with all details maxed out on my ATI card, and when I try to take a screenshot it boots to desktop....

I guess that pic will do though (I can get the GF2 shot later tonight, gotta go to work in a few). Sorry if this is annoying to some, but Kruzin was being....evasive so to speak, but glad I finally got some answers.

**Kruzin** · 19 June 2002, 14:51

I was being evasive?
Perhaps you would prefer if I didn't say anything.
I went out of my way to answer your questions, and even took the time to post your special request picture.
I was being HELPFUL, not evasive, and you where taking advantage of my good nature by hounding me with the same question over and over. After that, what are the odds that I will want to answer your questions in the future? Not good.

**Jake** · 19 June 2002, 15:04

WTF!

Why EXACTLY is BuddMan being an "annoying reefer oozing freak", M A?

Just because it's sometimes difficult to explain what you are asking about so that other people will understand it and resond accordingly, does not give you the right to bash the guy you two-post B*TCH!

The queries in Buddmans post are quite valid for this thread IMO even though a "difference of oppinion" or whatever seems to exists between him and Kruzin.

Like everyone else he just seems anxoius to see the card for himself. And if it bothers Kruzin too much to answer I think he will stop posting in this thread.

If Buddmans beef "wit dem shadow fingies'n'jaggies stuff" is a lack of functionality in the drivers, maybe someone at Matrox will pick up on it and get it implemented (hurra) or get it corrected if it is indeed a bug. I believe that was also implied in Buddmans posts.

If you want to get a name for yourself here go HELP someone or participate in another constructive fashion.

Jake

**BuddMan** · 19 June 2002, 15:23

Originally posted by Kruzin
I was being evasive?
Perhaps you would prefer if I didn't say anything.
I went out of my way to answer your questions, and even took the time to post your special request picture.
I was being HELPFUL, not evasive, and you where taking advantage of my good nature by hounding me with the same question over and over. After that, what are the odds that I will want to answer your questions in the future? Not good.

Kruzin, you were helpful, but for some reason you declined to post a pic with complex shadows without FAA on the Parhelia. You know as well as I do that the pic of Joel's doesn't have complex shadows enabled, and it looks like he is using FAA as well (if complex shadows are enabled, I sure can't see them). Sorry for pissing you off, but I asked many times for you to post a pic, and you finally said no so I posted my own. Anyway, I hope you don't get mad over little incidents like this (if you consider this an incident), but thanks for posting the FAA pic.

**Kruzin** · 19 June 2002, 15:57

I declined to post another pic for 2 reasons:
1) I told you they looked the same. More than once. Why should I waste my time to post a picture that only shows what is already shown in the first pic?
2) It was a PITA to get the first pic. The only saved game I have is deep in a dungeon. It took me 5 mins to backtrack out to daylight to get that pic, and I didn't feel like doing it again.

**BuddMan** · 19 June 2002, 16:12

Well sorry again man, I didn't mean to upset you. But if it looks the same with FAA on or off, then the Parhelia has trouble displaying shadows on this game in both cases. I dunno?? Maybe it's a simple driver issue that can be fixed...

**Greebe** · 19 June 2002, 19:36

Hey Jake, you know sometimes I agree with EXACTLY how M A feels. Just look at the pathetic excuse of a thread this one has become, it goes on and on and on over the same ol BS.

Appears to me that Kruzin agrees with M A so take your flippin two post bitch comment elsewhere or you'll see how I treat you from here on out.

Got it?! geesh

**Kruzin** · 19 June 2002, 20:03

I did take the time to install the game on my kid's G400 rig, and the shadows looked exactly the same.

**BuddMan** · 19 June 2002, 21:37

(Mainly to Greebe) - Haha, it's so funny how the mods really don't seem to like me. I guess I'll continue to be a pain in the ass.

Ok Kruzin, thanks. I'll do some more tests on it tonight and try zooming in, etc. It's probably the perspective that just made it look like that. I guess I should see it in action to really know how it looks and all. Thanks again.

EDIT: Greebe, that post was kinda uncalled for I think. I wouldn't have expected that from a mod....

**DGhost** · 19 June 2002, 21:51

The shadows look exactly the same as the ones kruzin posted on my system too. and i am running a Radeon 8500.

the FAA shots look dreamy tho.

about the overclocking... there was an article a loongg time ago by a group that did 3d rendering and such... rendering on overclocked systems that would test as 100% stable, they would get random 'noise' in the rendered images. slight glitches, things that you normally wouldn't notice. just because its overclocked and you don't see problems doesn't mean they are not there...

**Jake** · 19 June 2002, 22:19

Originally posted by Greebe
Hey Jake, you know sometimes I agree with EXACTLY how M A feels. Just look at the pathetic excuse of a thread this one has become, it goes on and on and on over the same ol BS.

Appears to me that Kruzin agrees with M A so take your flippin two post bitch comment elsewhere or you'll see how I treat you from here on out.

Got it?! geesh

Pathetic thread to you maybe, not to me. Yes Kruzin seems to be irritated with the persistance of Buddmann, so what. Like I said, if it bothers him to respond to the questions, why not just leave the thread alone.

As for you my friend, throwing threats around will get you nowhere. I could really care less how you will "treat me from here on out". And everone knows you can bitch. Quite a number of your 5000 posts has that written all over them.

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