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**TdB** · 23 September 2002, 05:49

the only 2 problems I have with quake2 is that the particle-pixels are square-shaped instead of round, and that there are annoying slowdowns when there are explosions on the screen.

I do get a somewhat higher framerate than you, about 67 fps in 1152*864*32(with trilinear filtering)on a p4 2.0ghz.
I play in singlehead though.

sounds to me like you have v-sync enabled.

I expected the framerate to be much higher though, it is, afterall, an old game.

**typedef enum** · 23 September 2002, 08:37

Yeah...

You know, I noticed that as well...

It _almost_ looks as if the 3D chip is not kicking in...rather it's being performed in software.

Take the railgun....When you fire a shot, you will literally see the rings made up of square dots.

I've got a P4 2.7 GHz setup, and the performance almost always stays @ 42 FPS, regardless of setting.

I think fixing this might fix some potential bugs in other games...

**K6-III** · 23 September 2002, 08:50

Has anyone tried any other Q2-based games...if this effects them as well, Matrox would indeed want to fix this....kill many birds with one stone....

**R0M** · 23 September 2002, 17:01

Yeah looks like we got a bug, not sure if it will be fixed soon since it's an old game but now we know about it. In the meantime, you can run it with gl_dynamic 0 and get over 200 fps

Regards,

**typedef enum** · 23 September 2002, 17:20

Is anybody interested in having access to the executables? I can put them "somewhere" if anybody would like to play some Surround Gaming deathmatch action...It may be an old game, but in many respects, I still consider it the best online DM-style game.

ROM...

As I said in a previous exchange, although Quake2 is clearly an old game, there most definitely is a bug. I would look at like you could very well do the ole' "kill 2 birds with 1 stone." Who knows...Perhaps this bug is affecting other titles, or possibly some future ones as well.

In a general sense, there's just no way that one should see performance levels in the 40 FPS neighborhood, especially when you consider how much higher the framerate is on a more advanced Quake3-powered title.

**TdB** · 24 September 2002, 05:10

I hope you guys will fix it soon!
I renember that I had to disable alot of stuff with my old g400max in glquake,(which BTW runs great on the parhelia)this bug effected hexen2 too, and it was never fixed proberly(turbogl doesn´t count), I really don´t hope I have to go through all this AGAIN with all quake2 engine driven games.

**UberLord** · 24 September 2002, 07:22

Originally posted by typedef enum
As I said in a previous exchange, although Quake2 is clearly an old game, there most definitely is a bug. I would look at like you could very well do the ole' "kill 2 birds with 1 stone." Who knows...Perhaps this bug is affecting other titles, or possibly some future ones as well.

I second that as a few scene demos have taken full advantage of the Quake2 source code since it's release

**Maggi** · 24 September 2002, 08:41

Originally posted by typedef enum
ROM...

As I said in a previous exchange, although Quake2 is clearly an old game, there most definitely is a bug. I would look at like you could very well do the ole' "kill 2 birds with 1 stone." Who knows...Perhaps this bug is affecting other titles, or possibly some future ones as well.

In a general sense, there's just no way that one should see performance levels in the 40 FPS neighborhood, especially when you consider how much higher the framerate is on a more advanced Quake3-powered title.

Hi TypeDef,

just to rephrase what R0M suggested:

Disable dynamic lightning and see Parhelia fly ...

This affects all Q2 based games like Half-Life etc. and as long as you can afford to run without dynamic lighting, it is the faster option.

Major letdown in Half-Life would be that this renders the flashlight useless, but until it is fixed in the drivers, you could always assign a hotkey for toggling dynamic lighting on/off, so that you gain maximum performance where needed and have all lighting when neccessary.

**TdB** · 24 September 2002, 13:04

but I like the dynamic lights.

**typedef enum** · 24 September 2002, 13:23

Just an update...

I made a post to the official Matrox support forum, and have sent a ZIP file containing all the necessary .exe/DLL's, and some basic instructions.

I hope to hear back from them soon...

The fact that this has apparantly affected Matrox boards since the G400 days really shocks me, to be honest. I mean, this is an issue that you simply cannot ignore?!

**TdB** · 24 September 2002, 13:41

well, the g400 cards ran quake2 and qauke3 just fine, but they had the dynamic-lights-bug in glquake(and hexen2), they fixed it with the turbogl, and for awhile glquake ran great.

however the newer drivers aren´t compatibel with the turbogl, so we have been forced to disable dynamic-ligths in glquake ever since.

appearently, bugfixes for older games has a rather low priority for the driver-guys.

**R0M** · 24 September 2002, 16:41

It's still been investigated, i am pushing to get it fixed but no promises yet, will keep you updated...

Regards,

**kaasboer** · 25 September 2002, 00:56

Re: Quake2 + OpenGL (Surround Gaming)

Originally posted by typedef enum
Hey guys,

I'm not sure if anybody really cares about this at all, though it may point to some OpenGL driver issues...

Hiho!

yes, I do care indeed. Quake2 is still my favourite game and I/we play it quite often (daily ;-).

cu,
kaasboer

**Zao** · 27 September 2002, 16:14

Can someone give me instructions where/how I should disable dynamic lightning in Counter Strike.

r_dynamic resets to 1 as soon as I change it.

is it cs-specific or does it depend on the server?

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