That's about it...

[Pace]

Well my friend that runs a 166 has passed up the opportunity to upgrade to the new client The 2 others remaining don't really like the new version - despite not even understanding the point of running it, they ran it to please me. They used to complain that my P2 CLI would beat their P3 GUIs. And their current GUI times make for horrible reading!

My systems are all down at the moment, with a couple of dozen 3.0 results still sitting in there. I've not been in too much of a hurry to set this back up again - but I suppose I will get round to it.

However, I was wondering, what are the other distributed computing projects like? I'd be happy to stay in Seti, but if we could move en masse to another project and conquer that then I wouldn't mind switching.

The way I see it just now however, is that the other options are a lot more primitive in 3rd party support - quite a major consideration for a lot of people. What do you's think of this suggestion? Indeed, I'm sure a few MURCers do run alternative DC proj's - how do you like them?

Paul.

[Rattledagger]

Guru, it's the client that does 98% compressing... You know, 350KB compressed to 5KB result-file
If you've tried running zip on the wu, you will get around 270KB as result, around 25% compression. To get smaller files, you must use lossy compression, and that's that you're doing with the seti@home-client already.
Actually, the binary data is 256KB, but gets encoded as text, and therefore expands to 350KB. On top a 1KB header is put (the readable part.)
The only compression you can do, is not to expand it in the first place. I don't know, but it's probably problems with getting the text+binary unaltered across all kinds of connections that lead to the text-encoding in the first place.

[-=Narcissus=-]

Pace,

I was wondering about other distributed computing projects myself... Anyone in the know???

Fred

[Rattledagger]

An overview of distributed projects:
http://www.nyx.net/~kpearson/distrib.html

As for mass-transition, I don't think so. From a look I will place the projects in 3 groups:
1: Mathemathic & Cracking. The mathematics is "find largest" and isn't interesting. For cracking we have the popular RC5. I will not use the computer for cracking.
2: Internet & human: Always connected or manual computing. As for manual, I think a run in your favourite game is better.
3: Science & Medical: Here we have the interesting projects like Seti@home, Folding, and Entropia with multiple projects.
Appart for cracking, this is the 3 largest projects.

Without testing any I can read this:
Entropia: Needs 32-64 MB memory, runs some commercial projects, no caching of wu and will therefore try to connect. "and will automatically upgrade itself later" is a show-stopper. Only win32.

Folding: Faster wu than seti, no caching of wu, others can't continue on the branch you downloaded wu to before result is back therefore limited. Less stable server/client than seti. Last version works with multi-cpu. Only win32/linux/solaris.

Seti@home: Can cache wu, can litterally use thousands of coumputers, multi-cpu, no-one depends on your result so you can use so long time you likes. Only MURC-project Some server problems (just cache some days of units). Client for all major OS that supports the memory-requirements.

As for people that thinks seti@home is slow with ver 3.03, the "3x+1-problem" will take 6 weeks on a 400 MHz CPU. Now, how many here has used more than one month cpu-time on one seti@home-wu? (cpu-time, not win9x-run-time)

I haven't looked more closely on the rest of the science/medical-projects, but most is only win32. Most must also have permanent internet-connection.

[Guyver]

Ahhh, Hell....

I just went and reloaded my 2 Linux boxes fresh, and installed the 2.4.1 kernel (optimized for minimum BS), and had to try them out.

As long as they are up and running 24x7... Well - let's just say I guess I just can't really give up....

Guyver

[MindYerBeak]

Come on, folks, may I say chin up and start crunching. Stop feeling so downhearted and spreading discontent all over the board. The fun aspect is what you, as a team, make of it. Look in your rear view mirror. Do you not see Team DSLR and Team OcUK approaching your fortified and lofty position? Team OcUK - Overclockers UK is coming for ya! Is this the way to behave when you're under attack?

You've all done well to reach such a lofty position, so do you give up now without a fight, and desert a sinking ship, a team that has done so well in the past? Version 3.03 has levelled the playing field for everyone, not just your good selves. We will eventually reach your position and engage you in battle, but more slowly than before. You want to bring fun back into your crunching? Then look outside of your team and see your competitors advancing, then crunch harder to keep them at bay. Every WU counts in this war, no matter how long it may take you to crunch it. Each WU you produce is another nail in the coffin of your competitors. Can you not see that your WU is needed by the team?

Don't have a negative attitude, folks, stand up and fight the opposition, not just amongst yourselves. Show the rest of the world that your team will not go down at least without a fight.

See you all soon, Team OcUK is coming for ya.



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Mr. MindYerBeak of Team OcUK, at your service.
The only way forward is hup!

[Ees]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Do you not see Team DSLR and Team OcUK approaching your fortified and lofty position?</font>

Only if I squint *really* hard.

But thanks for the chins up.

Martin

[Liquid Snake]

Let's see...There are 18 machines that I may be able to load SETI on. My friend has many machines - one is a P3 1GHz 512MB RAM, the rest are Macs I think. Hmm...Oh yeah, and that supercomputer in my basement, I never got around to putting SETI on it

[klambert]

Well, luckily you won't have to squint for long! Hope you've got a dust mask handy for when we (DSLR & OcUK) blaze by . . .

[Liquid Snake]

Time to get more machines.

[Sir Hitech]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by Liquid Snake:
Time to get more machines.</font>

We heard you, LS! Can't get our butts kicked, can we?

Murcers: Its time to defend our base! Get the crunching on!





[This message has been edited by Sir Hitech (edited 19 February 2001).]

[Jorden]

One WU up
In an amazing 7 hours. Command-line 3.03 under WinME