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  • #31
    I'll chime in.

    Neon Genesis Evangelion is, to my mind, a "meta-Giant Robot/Cute Girl" anime. It starts out and often functions as a Giant Robot/Cute Girl amine, and it works well in this role. However, EVA is steeped in religious under- and overtones, both Old and New Testament. There are plenty of arcane references to Jewish occultism. There's also a healthy dose of "2001: A Space Odyssey" Millenarianism as well.

    The subtext, however, is not religion. People, I believe, have focused too much it, as the references are flying all over the place, sometimes literally. They're pretty overt, however, and I think some people are confusing obscure religious references with geniune subtext.

    Personally, I think the subtext is Freudian in the extreme. This isn't to say that there isn't overt Freudian imagery. EVA has its share of giant fly phallic symbols.

    However, I believe it is Oedipus who rules the day, with a special guest appearance by Electra. It is nearly impossible to get specific without telegraphing some major spoilers, so I'll be as general as possible. There are two mommy figures: one obvious, one not, and both are eroticized. There are two daddy figures: one obvious, one not, and both can be interpreted as malevolent.

    At a certain point, I couldn't help but get the feeling that this odd cartoon series with giant robots, cute girls, and frequent references to Kabbalistic mysticism, was autobiographical. The series' creator was clearly working out some serious personal issues, and on primetime Japanese television no less. I suspect the most biblical thing about Evangelion are the proportions of Anno's neuroses. I get the impression that Anno is considered a bit of the mad genius in Japan, and he certainly seems to play the part. He is rumored to have struggled with mental illness in the recent past.

    The ending, in my opinion, degenerated into Bunuelian excess. It's my understanding that the movies seek to correct this. I haven't seen any of them, so I just don't know.

    And this is where that expensive liberal arts education has gotten me.

    Paul
    paulcs@flashcom.net

    [This message has been edited by paulcs (edited 07 August 2000).]

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    • #32
      Well, I like Anime. I have about 30 VHS tapes left, and about 100 DVD's so far. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

      I usually dont bother trying to find some deeper meaning. I just watch it. If I like it, I'll watch it again. If I dont, I dont. Like Lain, I watched that about 6 times. Wasnt until I watched it stoned I understood it though.

      Just thought I'd toss that in.
      A computer is like sex. Your never 100% sure what your doing but when all goes well, it feels REAL good.

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      • #33
        Actually, I tend not to find deep meaning in anime, although EVA kind of has "find deep meaning in me" written all over it. The mommy/daddy stuff is just amazing, and, if memory serves me correctly, there was a flying monster shaped like a penis.

        I haven't seen it in a long time. I could be wrong.

        How is Lain? I haven't been following anime for a while, and I'm pretty curious.

        Paul
        paulcs@flashcom.net

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        • #34
          Helevitia and Starblazers fans,

          From AnimeOnDVD:

          To Iscandar we go (05:31 PM EST): After quite a long wait, Voyager Entertainment has announced a 8/18 release date for the first disc of Starblazers with a running time of 112 minutes. And yes, that's a Friday. As for how this will show up on most retailers, I have a sneaking
          suspicion it will be difficult to find, similar to the Dragonball Z discs from Funimation. Keep an eye on the retail forum for where it shows up.
          paulcs, that has got to be the weirdest, yet amazingly accurate, description of EVA I have ever seen. My schooling has been strickly math, science and technology based so that kind of stuff just flies over my head until someone points it out. But from what I have read and seen, most of the relegious aspects are based of factual and ficticious Dead Sea Scroll mythos.

          As for the EVA movies...if you thought the show was weird and chalked full of Freudian symbolism, then the movies are going to change your attitude. They make the regular show look tame. My weird-@#!*-o-meter was blow to pieces after I saw the fansub for the End of Evangelion movie (the second one), and I don't even understand all the phsycological symbolism. The movies are just that messed up.

          Genom,

          Couldn't watch Lain and I don't get stoned so I doubt I'll ever understand it. I tried, but it was just too boring. Sorry man. But you do seem to have quite the collection of anime. I'm only pushing about 20 DVD and 12 VHS tapes, but it's slowly growing.

          Jammrock
          “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
          –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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          • #35
            I've read the entire thread and still don't understand what's so great about anime. I gotta agree with Jon, I can't stand the "big eyed, goofy haired look" either.

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            • #36
              Snake,

              You have to understand - we are ALREADY Anime fans, so this thread offers no understanding whatsoever of why Anime is cool.

              For me, it began weekday afternoons - Starblazers and Force Five were on... they were THE coolest shows on TV at the time, and they happened to be Anime.

              It just escalated from there. There are REASONS for the big eyes and "goofy hair", but getting into them requires not only knowledge of Japanese pop culture but Japanese culture in general - in addition to a little background of cartoons and comic art... and a little understanding of the evolution of a phenomenon. And that might all be beyond the scope of this discussion.

              - Gurm

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              • #37
                Ash Catchem,

                I love Ranma 1/2! I didn't have it listed...oops. Ranma 1/2 is HILARIOUS! Almost as funny as the mushroom episode of Cowboy Bebop...yap, yap, yap. There's just so much of that to watch and so little time to watch it.

                Snake,

                Just like to add to Gurm's comments. A lot of the people who watch anime are the weekday afternoon cartoon watchers that never stopped liking cartoons. The problem with American cartoons is that 90% of them are aimed at children, so the stories are mundane and very repetative ("Gee, Scooby caught the bad guy by complete accident and after we took off the mask it turned out to be someone we met earlier in the show." sound familar?). The animation is done on a shoe-string budget so it's usually not the best. And to top it all off, the TV censors limit any real artistic freeedom. The only current cartoon I see as an exception is Batman/Beyond.

                Anime, on the other hand is different. It is taylored mostly for teen to adult age groups (at least the stuff that comes out here). The stories for anime are often very complex and involving, and span over multiple episodes and sometime seasons (a TV season in Japan is 26 episodes). The censorship in Japan is a lot less and allows even kids shows to have blood and brief nudity. And since anime is extremely popular in Japan, the anime companies have large budgets to work with so they can make more visually attractive shows (Just watch Escaflowne of Fox Kids at 11 am EST on Saturday and you'll see for yourself. BTW, Escaflowne was made 4 years ago in Japan).

                So why watch anime instead of TV? It depends on who you ask. WIth animation you can do a lot more than you can with live action. Giant robots for one, but also mysterious worlds that hold no real place on Earth. Live action can't really touch it, because they are bound by the physical world or a CG budget that isn't that big. So tie in great visuals of things you have never seen before with a great story line and...dare I say it...plot, and you have entertainment.

                I could write a lot more, but I don't have the time. Maybe I'll add to my post later, but for now I have to go. Hope this helps understand the obsession.

                Jammrock
                “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
                –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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                • #38
                  Hmm, but I don't watch TV But I'm not gonna try to understand anime, so I'll leave this thread now.

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